▲ 756 ▼ The U.S. Has Now Killed Over 65 People In Strikes Against Alleged Drug Boats (www.latintimes.com) submitted 9 months ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/world@lemmy.world 138 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (3 children) They will keep killing fishermen until Venezuela takes action, and then its ok to invade for that sweet sweet oil. Drill baby drill! USA USA USA! permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) and then its ok to invade for that sweet sweet oil Déjà vu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago If it works it works permalink fedilink source parent [–] ms_lane@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) US already does all the oil in Venezuela though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) The U.S. doesn’t run Venezuelan oil — it regulates who gets to touch it. The Treasury’s OFAC sanctions don’t control production; they choke the financial and logistical pipelines around it. That’s Washington’s leverage — not ownership, but gatekeeping. Venezuela nationalized its oil industry back in the 1970s, and PDVSA still owns every barrel that comes out of the ground. Right now, the only American company still operating there is Chevron, and even they’re basically on probation. Their projects run under a temporary OFAC license that can be pulled at any time, and they’re not allowed to pay the Maduro government directly. Everything has to go through a U.S.-approved escrow system. Meanwhile, most of Venezuela’s actual oil exports move outside U.S. reach entirely — crude swapped through China, blended with Iranian condensate, shipped under flags of convenience on ghost fleets that never report their location. That’s not American control; that’s a global workaround to avoid it. So yeah, the U.S. has influence — financial choke points, compliance pressure, and the ability to turn Chevron’s tap on or off. But control? No. PDVSA owns the wells, China and Iran move the barrels, and OFAC just decides who’s allowed to touch the money. Edit: Please, I encourage you to fact-check me. Informed decision-making is the key to equitable governance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] shalafi@lemmy.world -17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children) Fishermen? I'm not defending the actions of my government, they are fucking appalling and illegal, but have you seen the boats they've killed? My friend, those are not likely innocent fishermen. EDIT: None of you read first sentence. Not going to parse a two sentence post for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 child) Oh, well, bombs away then! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Oh, look, another lemming so anxious to get his cute little burn out there. So anxious he skipped the first of two sentences in my comment. Hey! It was a pretty long-winded thing to parse! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* Bless your heart, I hope you have a better day tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) They are innocent until proven guilty, not until killed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do I really need to post my entire comment in this reply? It's two sentences and the first one covers your concern. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fishermen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yes, dont you know "Fisherman?" Is all you need to justify murdering dudes in boats who may or may not be drug runners. Also their boats look like drug boats so fuck em permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Are you being sarcastic, man? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Who me? Never. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago "I'm not defending their actions, but I'm definitely going to support them. Have you seen the boats? I'm just asking questions" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) and then its ok to invade for that sweet sweet oil Déjà vu permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago If it works it works permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago If it works it works permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) US already does all the oil in Venezuela though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) The U.S. doesn’t run Venezuelan oil — it regulates who gets to touch it. The Treasury’s OFAC sanctions don’t control production; they choke the financial and logistical pipelines around it. That’s Washington’s leverage — not ownership, but gatekeeping. Venezuela nationalized its oil industry back in the 1970s, and PDVSA still owns every barrel that comes out of the ground. Right now, the only American company still operating there is Chevron, and even they’re basically on probation. Their projects run under a temporary OFAC license that can be pulled at any time, and they’re not allowed to pay the Maduro government directly. Everything has to go through a U.S.-approved escrow system. Meanwhile, most of Venezuela’s actual oil exports move outside U.S. reach entirely — crude swapped through China, blended with Iranian condensate, shipped under flags of convenience on ghost fleets that never report their location. That’s not American control; that’s a global workaround to avoid it. So yeah, the U.S. has influence — financial choke points, compliance pressure, and the ability to turn Chevron’s tap on or off. But control? No. PDVSA owns the wells, China and Iran move the barrels, and OFAC just decides who’s allowed to touch the money. Edit: Please, I encourage you to fact-check me. Informed decision-making is the key to equitable governance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) The U.S. doesn’t run Venezuelan oil — it regulates who gets to touch it. The Treasury’s OFAC sanctions don’t control production; they choke the financial and logistical pipelines around it. That’s Washington’s leverage — not ownership, but gatekeeping. Venezuela nationalized its oil industry back in the 1970s, and PDVSA still owns every barrel that comes out of the ground. Right now, the only American company still operating there is Chevron, and even they’re basically on probation. Their projects run under a temporary OFAC license that can be pulled at any time, and they’re not allowed to pay the Maduro government directly. Everything has to go through a U.S.-approved escrow system. Meanwhile, most of Venezuela’s actual oil exports move outside U.S. reach entirely — crude swapped through China, blended with Iranian condensate, shipped under flags of convenience on ghost fleets that never report their location. That’s not American control; that’s a global workaround to avoid it. So yeah, the U.S. has influence — financial choke points, compliance pressure, and the ability to turn Chevron’s tap on or off. But control? No. PDVSA owns the wells, China and Iran move the barrels, and OFAC just decides who’s allowed to touch the money. Edit: Please, I encourage you to fact-check me. Informed decision-making is the key to equitable governance. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] shalafi@lemmy.world -17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children) Fishermen? I'm not defending the actions of my government, they are fucking appalling and illegal, but have you seen the boats they've killed? My friend, those are not likely innocent fishermen. EDIT: None of you read first sentence. Not going to parse a two sentence post for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 child) Oh, well, bombs away then! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Oh, look, another lemming so anxious to get his cute little burn out there. So anxious he skipped the first of two sentences in my comment. Hey! It was a pretty long-winded thing to parse! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* Bless your heart, I hope you have a better day tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) They are innocent until proven guilty, not until killed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do I really need to post my entire comment in this reply? It's two sentences and the first one covers your concern. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fishermen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yes, dont you know "Fisherman?" Is all you need to justify murdering dudes in boats who may or may not be drug runners. Also their boats look like drug boats so fuck em permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Are you being sarcastic, man? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Who me? Never. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago "I'm not defending their actions, but I'm definitely going to support them. Have you seen the boats? I'm just asking questions" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 child) Oh, well, bombs away then! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Oh, look, another lemming so anxious to get his cute little burn out there. So anxious he skipped the first of two sentences in my comment. Hey! It was a pretty long-winded thing to parse! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* Bless your heart, I hope you have a better day tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Oh, look, another lemming so anxious to get his cute little burn out there. So anxious he skipped the first of two sentences in my comment. Hey! It was a pretty long-winded thing to parse! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* Bless your heart, I hope you have a better day tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* Bless your heart, I hope you have a better day tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) They are innocent until proven guilty, not until killed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shalafi@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do I really need to post my entire comment in this reply? It's two sentences and the first one covers your concern. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fishermen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yes, dont you know "Fisherman?" Is all you need to justify murdering dudes in boats who may or may not be drug runners. Also their boats look like drug boats so fuck em permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Are you being sarcastic, man? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Who me? Never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do I really need to post my entire comment in this reply? It's two sentences and the first one covers your concern. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fishermen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yes, dont you know "Fisherman?" Is all you need to justify murdering dudes in boats who may or may not be drug runners. Also their boats look like drug boats so fuck em permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Are you being sarcastic, man? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Who me? Never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 child) Fishermen? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yes, dont you know "Fisherman?" Is all you need to justify murdering dudes in boats who may or may not be drug runners. Also their boats look like drug boats so fuck em permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Are you being sarcastic, man? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Who me? Never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yes, dont you know "Fisherman?" Is all you need to justify murdering dudes in boats who may or may not be drug runners. Also their boats look like drug boats so fuck em permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Are you being sarcastic, man? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Who me? Never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Are you being sarcastic, man? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Who me? Never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago "I'm not defending their actions, but I'm definitely going to support them. Have you seen the boats? I'm just asking questions" permalink fedilink source parent