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Wikipedia founder Jimbo Wales has entered the Talk page for the Gaza genocide article and says in his opinion calling it genocide is a violation of NPOV (Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" policy) (en.wikipedia.org)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/palestine@lemmy.ml
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[–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

@cypherpunks Wikipedia is human-edited, and humans are flawed. However, the body of editors overall means it is self-correcting, in time. Jimbo may be a founder, but as an editor, his is one voice only. I think it is grossly unfair to condemn the entire thing over one person's views. It is still the best source of info there is - overall. Some of the replies here are... disturbing, frankly.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't understand how Wikipedia ended up becoming the literal Holy Scripture for western liberals.

    It is still the best source of info there is - overall.

    This is a statement of pure religious faith.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like there is a concerted effort to delegitimise Wikipedia recently. Long live Wikipedia.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Knowledge, especially free and easily accessible knowledge is detrimental to elites. Under educated peoples are easy to coerce, control, manipulate, scapegoat, scare, etc. So the easier it is for people to educate themselves, or just be educated the worse it is. Capitalists by default want dumb workers who don't know the meaning of value, it's part of the reason theres been a massive anti-intellectualist push this last decade or so.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I'm sure the elites are terrified at you having access to articles overwhelmingly written by western libertarians that happily and frequently source right wing pundits.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    @BrainInABox Left AND right wing "pundits" are frequently cited. Sometimes there are editing "wars" where the two sides erase each other's edits, but those are swiftly stopped and the issue is debated until a neutral consensus emerges.

    The right detest wikipedia because their lies are removed, so they created grokipedia. Some of the left hate it for the same reason. Bizarre

    @MrNobody

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Right wing pundits are cited overwhelmingly more and given vastly more wait, often being treated as reliable and undisputed sources of truth. If you look at the largest sources of pro-Isreal propaganda over the last two years, there's a good chance you'll find them on Wikipedia's trusted source list.

    those are swiftly stopped and the issue is debated until a neutral consensus emerges.

    No, what happens is that one side locks down the discussion, reverts all changes, refuses to debate in good faith, calls in sympathetic admins to discipline their opponents, locks the page, and, from personal experience, begins making organised attempts to dox dissenters. This is why dogshit right wing pundits like Anne Applebaum, and literal CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Asia, remain up as "reliable" sources permanently.

    The right detest wikipedia

    The far right detest it, the neoliberal centre right adore it for enshrining western supremacist neo-liberalism as cultural gospel.

    Some of the left hate it for the same reason.

    No, they hate it because the truth is removed and propaganda from entrenched neoliberal Zionist sources is treated as gospel.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    @BrainInABox Sorry but that's simply not true. Spent any time reading the talk pages to see how things work?

    Also you didn't answer my question on a better source of info.

    [Added: never mind, I see you replied separately.]

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Wikipedia has been a great way to launder right wing punditry into a form liberals will accept. People who would never otherwise give credence to people like Anne Applebaum or Thomas Friedman will treat their words as indisputable gospel if they're copy pasted onto Wikipedia.

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