All these children are invisible to the driver...

Fuck all those cars!!! Put them away to hell, not to earth. They are too big for all - except for small egos. But for small egos is therapy much better.

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[–] 165 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

Or we could, you know, follow previously established methods of building vehicles that make pedestrian death and dismemberment less likely.

No, no, no. Americans need them this way apparently for some inexplicable fucking reason.

So instead of just designing them with pedestrian safety in mind to begin with, we are just gonna slap on more fucking band-aids (like cameras) that do fuck-all.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Americans never asked for this, it's the classification system for light trucks implemented following the Yom Kippur War that left too much leeway in the definition for "light trucks" that has been driving auto makers in this direction.

    Of course there have been knock-on cultural issues where certain people make it part of their ego and the market effect becomes self reinforcing, but that's how we got into this mess. History is a series of unintended consequences, again.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'd argue that they have asked for trucks to get so big because they seemingly sell better that way. It's admittedly an imperfect thing to look at since there's few alternatives and many other factors, but these big trucks didn't immediately take over the market. At some point they were introduced and consumers liked them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    This is why I said it became an ego thing. Automakers didn't set out to kill the most kids possible and ask "how do we design towards that", they exploited a regulatory loophole which then cracked open a wider market niche based on people's egocentrism, brutality, and myopic attitudes toward transit (e.g. carbrain).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    I'm not sure if American consumers "liked" them so much as they were pushed heavily by auto makers while they quietly phased out more practically sized vehicles like hatchbacks, station wagons, and a lot of sedans (other than those sedans that fetch a high price for their performance and appeal to an entirely different market; your corvettes, mustangs, etc.) That 'light truck' designation brings with it larger profit margins; the vehicle itself is bigger so the manufacturer can charge more for it, and then they have to obey fewer environmental regulations so development/manufacturing is cheaper in comparison to trying to meet the regulations for smaller vehicles.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Americans never asked for this? Then who is buying these wanktanks?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    To be fair, they are hugely popular in both Canada and Mexico as well. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.

    Hint; if marketing didn't work, it wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    That truck isn't even lifted. Looks like stock.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago* (33 children)

    Yeah, more like "Ban trucks that are built so high off the ground that they can't see pedestrians." That would easily include lifted trucks as well as general monstrosities.

    I mean, it's not like any of these motherfuckers uses these things to haul anything other than their kids and fucking groceries anyway.

    Too much of a pussy to just own it and just drive a fucking minivan, which can easily carry kids and groceries. Has to buy the big dick extender instead.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    But it's even worse than that. The front of the car being so big and high is PURELY aesthetics. All of the machinery that's in current trucks would just as easily fit under a hood that was lower and sloped downward for better visibility, but trucks with a high squared off hood and grille sell more because many truck buyers care more about it having a tough appearance rather then it being an actually better vehicle.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Car manufacturers have been making trucks taller and boxier because their studies show that their owners do that to their trucks after buying them so they want to be more appealing to the average pickup truck buyer... and yes that thought makes my brain hurt

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I saw a YouTube explaining the giant cars in the US have to do with the government making a big equation that car manufacturers have to follow.

    The equation calculated the weight, size, gas mileage, etc, and the only way they can make the cars pass the equation is to make them giant. The equation backfired and now we have giant cars.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    It didn't backfire. They designed a law that looks good at first glance but actually makes auto manufacturers richer. This happens all the time and it's on purpose, because they know voters don't have the analysis resources of lobbyists.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yep, the manufacturers get massive tax breaks on this class of vehicle, which means they can make and sell them at the same or better price than a small, fuel efficient car. If a family with kids has to choose between a mid size crossover or an F150 at similar price points, why would you get the crossover? The USA needs to fix the way it taxes cars to disincentivise these fuel inefficient giant cars. No other country has these problems so it's not a selfish person problem, it's an entirely logical choice to make given the circumstances.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Band-aids like cameras that do fuck all? Cameras are a very quick, simple, and obvious solution to this specific problem. There's a reason that all new cars have backup cameras nowadays. Perfection is the enemy of good and all that.

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