▲ 39 ▼ Schizophrenic man, armed with a stick that had a knife on one end, is shot and killed by California police (www.nbclosangeles.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by DougHolland@lemmy.world to c/thepoliceproblem@lemmy.world 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments Archived page, if you're paywalled or region-blocked. He had a knife... on a stick. I'll need to see the video on this one, officers, but for now, mark me as damned skeptical that this killing was self-defense.
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're off the deep end for thinking that would work, tranquiliser darts aren't really a thing for people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tranquilizers do work on humans though. So do tasers or several other non-lethal options, which is really the point people are making while you're choosing to be pedantic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's pretty common for a tazer to not work, for various reasons, and if it doesn't, your chances of getting your firearm out before they get to you are slim to none. Similar story with this hypothetical tranquiliser gun. Would you take that chance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Police are trained and supposed to take that non-lethal force chance, yes absolutely. I am personally not a cop, because I don't want to be in those situations. But people that DO sign up to serve and protect the public should be held to a higher standard than the general public, especially considering the tools, training, and resources (money) police forces have at their disposal. You're not going to convince me the only way to safely end this altercation was by shooting the mentally ill man to death. We have to ask ourselves how we can do better so we can learn from these situations and less people die violent deaths. To use your your logic: why do tranquilizers even get produced at all then? Why don't we just shoot every unruly animal? Wild and sick animals are just as or more dangerous than a man with a knife on a stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) He said officers tried to calm Mora down before twice using a Taser on him. They then fired beanbag rounds before ultimately killing him, the man said. They did try other options before shooting him though. It unfortunately sounds like they ran out of options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* He had a knife taped to a stick. They put numbered him. They could have done a lot more than just kill him. We don't have video anyways to know exactly what happened. None of the officers were wearing body cameras. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Tranquilizers do work on humans though. So do tasers or several other non-lethal options, which is really the point people are making while you're choosing to be pedantic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's pretty common for a tazer to not work, for various reasons, and if it doesn't, your chances of getting your firearm out before they get to you are slim to none. Similar story with this hypothetical tranquiliser gun. Would you take that chance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Police are trained and supposed to take that non-lethal force chance, yes absolutely. I am personally not a cop, because I don't want to be in those situations. But people that DO sign up to serve and protect the public should be held to a higher standard than the general public, especially considering the tools, training, and resources (money) police forces have at their disposal. You're not going to convince me the only way to safely end this altercation was by shooting the mentally ill man to death. We have to ask ourselves how we can do better so we can learn from these situations and less people die violent deaths. To use your your logic: why do tranquilizers even get produced at all then? Why don't we just shoot every unruly animal? Wild and sick animals are just as or more dangerous than a man with a knife on a stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) He said officers tried to calm Mora down before twice using a Taser on him. They then fired beanbag rounds before ultimately killing him, the man said. They did try other options before shooting him though. It unfortunately sounds like they ran out of options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* He had a knife taped to a stick. They put numbered him. They could have done a lot more than just kill him. We don't have video anyways to know exactly what happened. None of the officers were wearing body cameras. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's pretty common for a tazer to not work, for various reasons, and if it doesn't, your chances of getting your firearm out before they get to you are slim to none. Similar story with this hypothetical tranquiliser gun. Would you take that chance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Police are trained and supposed to take that non-lethal force chance, yes absolutely. I am personally not a cop, because I don't want to be in those situations. But people that DO sign up to serve and protect the public should be held to a higher standard than the general public, especially considering the tools, training, and resources (money) police forces have at their disposal. You're not going to convince me the only way to safely end this altercation was by shooting the mentally ill man to death. We have to ask ourselves how we can do better so we can learn from these situations and less people die violent deaths. To use your your logic: why do tranquilizers even get produced at all then? Why don't we just shoot every unruly animal? Wild and sick animals are just as or more dangerous than a man with a knife on a stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) He said officers tried to calm Mora down before twice using a Taser on him. They then fired beanbag rounds before ultimately killing him, the man said. They did try other options before shooting him though. It unfortunately sounds like they ran out of options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* He had a knife taped to a stick. They put numbered him. They could have done a lot more than just kill him. We don't have video anyways to know exactly what happened. None of the officers were wearing body cameras. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Police are trained and supposed to take that non-lethal force chance, yes absolutely. I am personally not a cop, because I don't want to be in those situations. But people that DO sign up to serve and protect the public should be held to a higher standard than the general public, especially considering the tools, training, and resources (money) police forces have at their disposal. You're not going to convince me the only way to safely end this altercation was by shooting the mentally ill man to death. We have to ask ourselves how we can do better so we can learn from these situations and less people die violent deaths. To use your your logic: why do tranquilizers even get produced at all then? Why don't we just shoot every unruly animal? Wild and sick animals are just as or more dangerous than a man with a knife on a stick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) He said officers tried to calm Mora down before twice using a Taser on him. They then fired beanbag rounds before ultimately killing him, the man said. They did try other options before shooting him though. It unfortunately sounds like they ran out of options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* He had a knife taped to a stick. They put numbered him. They could have done a lot more than just kill him. We don't have video anyways to know exactly what happened. None of the officers were wearing body cameras. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) He said officers tried to calm Mora down before twice using a Taser on him. They then fired beanbag rounds before ultimately killing him, the man said. They did try other options before shooting him though. It unfortunately sounds like they ran out of options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* He had a knife taped to a stick. They put numbered him. They could have done a lot more than just kill him. We don't have video anyways to know exactly what happened. None of the officers were wearing body cameras. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* He had a knife taped to a stick. They put numbered him. They could have done a lot more than just kill him. We don't have video anyways to know exactly what happened. None of the officers were wearing body cameras. permalink fedilink source parent