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[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago (1 child) Oh great the world's most precious people have finally been saved and all it took was a genocide on their behalf! permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -212 points 10 months ago (11 children) Hamas could have let them go and lay down their arms at any time to stop the war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 147 points 10 months ago* (2 children) The first offer from Hamas to let go all the hostages to Israel was on the 09.10.2023. The Israeli government rejected it then and has rejected it ever since: https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/ In fact, Hamas has stated that they are not interested in any future government in Gaza about a year ago and instead wanted a Palestinian technocratic body to take over. You know what happened? Israel murdered the diplomatic leadership of Hamas in November 2024. And then Israel and the US came out and said, that they had no one to negotiate with. And just a few weeks ago, they tried the same. In negotiations early this year with Witkoff and others, Hamas even put this in writing - again with the offer of releasing all the hostages - contingent on a stop of Israeli aggression, the continuation of humanitarian aid and the Israeli troops to withdraw from the strip. That treaty was then changed by the US and Israel in May this year before it was rejected. This has been modus operandi from the beginning from the US and Israel. After they had a deal, change it, make it look as if Hamas is rejecting the deal and capitalize on it. In fact, if you go back in history, you'll find the same strategy over and over again, to make it look like "Palestinians rejected peace". And last but not least: You are telling people to lay down their weapons, that have been under a brutal siege for over two years, while ignoring the side that put in place the siege and genocidal aggression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 23 points 10 months ago (1 child) Hamas has been willing to hand over governership of Gaza to a Unity Government for over 10 years. When they first made the agreement back in 2014, Israel bombed them. Not in the 2008 Gaza war or the 2012 Gaza war, but actually it was the 2014 Gaza war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 16 points 10 months ago Yes indeed, that's true. The difference is that now, they don't even want to be part of a future "unity government" like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -19 points 10 months ago (2 children) Hamas calling for Israel to not react to their attack two days earlier is ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 10 months ago* Netanyahu has literally given interviews about how he and Israel have financially supported Hama's as controlled opposition. Israel is also the size of New jersey (for Americans) or Slovenia. It is tiny. It is a 6 hour drive or an hour by helicopter. The Israel extreme militarized state, with tons of vehicles and helicopters, didn't react at all to an attack where sponsered money bought weapons 10 hours later, when there were 2000 people against 169500 active members and 465000 in reserve. Then when specifically asked if there was an order to the IDF to stand down and not repel the attackers, Israeli leaders have refused to deny it. Israel with 80000% larger military not reacting at all for 10 hours is ridiculous. By the way, Israel has had over 1900 Palestinian hostages for a decade not charged or tried at all for supposed crimes including up to 1000 children that they rape with dogs and IDF soldiers, abuse, and torture daily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel expecting no aggression after kidnapping thousands of civilians and enforcing an illegal blockade, and stealing land is ridiculous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel was expecting violent attacks from Gaza, just not at the scale. There had been attacks on and off since before the blockade of Gaza started. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were "too close". yhea, that's straight up murder. also, Israel complains that Hamas isn't returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held. also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again. also limiting aid entry. they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 78 points 10 months ago Israel could have stopped operating the largest and most inhumane open-air prison in our lifetime at any point in the past 25 years and significantly fewer people would have died, I'm sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] obre@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago No, they very obviously could not have. Israel was intent on committing genocide regardless of what Palestinians did. You're blaming the victims of an atrocity and should feel ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 49 points 10 months ago (2 children) How did that work out for them the last….10 or so times Israel violated a ceasefire agreement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago @eporetsky@lemmy.world explain yourself permalink fedilink source parent [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -26 points 10 months ago (3 children) There was a ceasefire on October 6th 2023. How did digging in deep and fighting tooth and nail work out for Hamas? It invited total destruction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do it again! I’m enjoying the spectacle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The Israeli military said the strikes were in response to an alleged "attack" by Palestinians on its troops in southern Rafah involving a rocket-propelled grenade and sniper fire. You can learn to read the article yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Surely they would provide evidence for such a bold claim? Oh wait… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) I need some entertainment. How are you going to explain this away this time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Maybe this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago Medical sources announced the martyrdom of citizen Nidal Eid Salmi Abu Hlayb (62 years old) from Al-Qarara, north of Khan Younis, and the arrival of his body at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital after he was shot by Israeli "Quadcopter" drone fire. Are there even quadcopter drones with guns operated by the IDF? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And how do you explain this away as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) These people were likely crossing the yellow line that was agreed upon in the ceasefire deal. The IDF is still in Gaza and enforces a security perimeter. There have been a couple of these cases. Of course I’m not there and don’t know if the soldiers stuck to the rules of engagement or were trigger happy assholes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] mrdown@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -31 points 10 months ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine? You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas. The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now? The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal. Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists? permalink fedilink source parent [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) Israel is not a real country (It's a zionist settler-colonial regime). Get on with the facts & reality permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) All countries are manmade. That's a non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago Not Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Last I checked it is a real country. Get with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 child) They barricaded them in a prison city. They even blockaded any sea access they had. They shot tank rounds at children for fun. They eradicated every single building they could. Spare us the diatribe. Fuck Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -15 points 10 months ago When Israel left Gaza in 2005, there was no blockade. It took years of attacks until it was instated to stop the smuggling of weapons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) people being this clueless still amazes me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anas@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (2 children) Nobody typing that is clueless, they’re getting paid (or scammed, if they’re not getting paid). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 10 months ago Exactly, anyone still this clueless is a troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) All all those lemmy news communities mods let Zionists spread the propaganda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago When they weren't spreading it themselves. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dfijaf345r435@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rising_man@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children) When are we going to recognize that both Hamas and the current Israeli government are shitty murderous people that are backed by quite a big % of their population. It's not about being pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. It's about backing muderers or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Yes. And yet you'll get banned from plenty of lemmy subs for saying it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago Well said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) even with the ceasefire, Israel is still enforcing starvation Israel to halve Gaza aid over slow return of dead hostages https://ground.news/article/israel-to-halve-gaza-aid-over-slow-return-of-dead-hostages_89770c permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago 300 trucks per day are still coming in, which is plenty to keep Gaza fed. Not all aid is food. There’s also construction materials and all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago They could have and they should have. In fact, Hamas shouldn't have existed in the first place but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -212 points 10 months ago (11 children) Hamas could have let them go and lay down their arms at any time to stop the war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 147 points 10 months ago* (2 children) The first offer from Hamas to let go all the hostages to Israel was on the 09.10.2023. The Israeli government rejected it then and has rejected it ever since: https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/ In fact, Hamas has stated that they are not interested in any future government in Gaza about a year ago and instead wanted a Palestinian technocratic body to take over. You know what happened? Israel murdered the diplomatic leadership of Hamas in November 2024. And then Israel and the US came out and said, that they had no one to negotiate with. And just a few weeks ago, they tried the same. In negotiations early this year with Witkoff and others, Hamas even put this in writing - again with the offer of releasing all the hostages - contingent on a stop of Israeli aggression, the continuation of humanitarian aid and the Israeli troops to withdraw from the strip. That treaty was then changed by the US and Israel in May this year before it was rejected. This has been modus operandi from the beginning from the US and Israel. After they had a deal, change it, make it look as if Hamas is rejecting the deal and capitalize on it. In fact, if you go back in history, you'll find the same strategy over and over again, to make it look like "Palestinians rejected peace". And last but not least: You are telling people to lay down their weapons, that have been under a brutal siege for over two years, while ignoring the side that put in place the siege and genocidal aggression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 23 points 10 months ago (1 child) Hamas has been willing to hand over governership of Gaza to a Unity Government for over 10 years. When they first made the agreement back in 2014, Israel bombed them. Not in the 2008 Gaza war or the 2012 Gaza war, but actually it was the 2014 Gaza war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 16 points 10 months ago Yes indeed, that's true. The difference is that now, they don't even want to be part of a future "unity government" like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -19 points 10 months ago (2 children) Hamas calling for Israel to not react to their attack two days earlier is ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 10 months ago* Netanyahu has literally given interviews about how he and Israel have financially supported Hama's as controlled opposition. Israel is also the size of New jersey (for Americans) or Slovenia. It is tiny. It is a 6 hour drive or an hour by helicopter. The Israel extreme militarized state, with tons of vehicles and helicopters, didn't react at all to an attack where sponsered money bought weapons 10 hours later, when there were 2000 people against 169500 active members and 465000 in reserve. Then when specifically asked if there was an order to the IDF to stand down and not repel the attackers, Israeli leaders have refused to deny it. Israel with 80000% larger military not reacting at all for 10 hours is ridiculous. By the way, Israel has had over 1900 Palestinian hostages for a decade not charged or tried at all for supposed crimes including up to 1000 children that they rape with dogs and IDF soldiers, abuse, and torture daily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel expecting no aggression after kidnapping thousands of civilians and enforcing an illegal blockade, and stealing land is ridiculous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel was expecting violent attacks from Gaza, just not at the scale. There had been attacks on and off since before the blockade of Gaza started. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were "too close". yhea, that's straight up murder. also, Israel complains that Hamas isn't returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held. also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again. also limiting aid entry. they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zetta@mander.xyz 78 points 10 months ago Israel could have stopped operating the largest and most inhumane open-air prison in our lifetime at any point in the past 25 years and significantly fewer people would have died, I'm sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] obre@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago No, they very obviously could not have. Israel was intent on committing genocide regardless of what Palestinians did. You're blaming the victims of an atrocity and should feel ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 49 points 10 months ago (2 children) How did that work out for them the last….10 or so times Israel violated a ceasefire agreement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago @eporetsky@lemmy.world explain yourself permalink fedilink source parent [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -26 points 10 months ago (3 children) There was a ceasefire on October 6th 2023. How did digging in deep and fighting tooth and nail work out for Hamas? It invited total destruction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do it again! I’m enjoying the spectacle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The Israeli military said the strikes were in response to an alleged "attack" by Palestinians on its troops in southern Rafah involving a rocket-propelled grenade and sniper fire. You can learn to read the article yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Surely they would provide evidence for such a bold claim? Oh wait… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) I need some entertainment. How are you going to explain this away this time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Maybe this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago Medical sources announced the martyrdom of citizen Nidal Eid Salmi Abu Hlayb (62 years old) from Al-Qarara, north of Khan Younis, and the arrival of his body at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital after he was shot by Israeli "Quadcopter" drone fire. Are there even quadcopter drones with guns operated by the IDF? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And how do you explain this away as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) These people were likely crossing the yellow line that was agreed upon in the ceasefire deal. The IDF is still in Gaza and enforces a security perimeter. There have been a couple of these cases. Of course I’m not there and don’t know if the soldiers stuck to the rules of engagement or were trigger happy assholes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] mrdown@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -31 points 10 months ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine? You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas. The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now? The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal. Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists? permalink fedilink source parent [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) Israel is not a real country (It's a zionist settler-colonial regime). Get on with the facts & reality permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) All countries are manmade. That's a non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago Not Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Last I checked it is a real country. Get with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 child) They barricaded them in a prison city. They even blockaded any sea access they had. They shot tank rounds at children for fun. They eradicated every single building they could. Spare us the diatribe. Fuck Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -15 points 10 months ago When Israel left Gaza in 2005, there was no blockade. It took years of attacks until it was instated to stop the smuggling of weapons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) people being this clueless still amazes me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anas@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (2 children) Nobody typing that is clueless, they’re getting paid (or scammed, if they’re not getting paid). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 10 months ago Exactly, anyone still this clueless is a troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) All all those lemmy news communities mods let Zionists spread the propaganda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago When they weren't spreading it themselves. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dfijaf345r435@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rising_man@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children) When are we going to recognize that both Hamas and the current Israeli government are shitty murderous people that are backed by quite a big % of their population. It's not about being pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. It's about backing muderers or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Yes. And yet you'll get banned from plenty of lemmy subs for saying it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago Well said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) even with the ceasefire, Israel is still enforcing starvation Israel to halve Gaza aid over slow return of dead hostages https://ground.news/article/israel-to-halve-gaza-aid-over-slow-return-of-dead-hostages_89770c permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago 300 trucks per day are still coming in, which is plenty to keep Gaza fed. Not all aid is food. There’s also construction materials and all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago They could have and they should have. In fact, Hamas shouldn't have existed in the first place but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 147 points 10 months ago* (2 children) The first offer from Hamas to let go all the hostages to Israel was on the 09.10.2023. The Israeli government rejected it then and has rejected it ever since: https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/ In fact, Hamas has stated that they are not interested in any future government in Gaza about a year ago and instead wanted a Palestinian technocratic body to take over. You know what happened? Israel murdered the diplomatic leadership of Hamas in November 2024. And then Israel and the US came out and said, that they had no one to negotiate with. And just a few weeks ago, they tried the same. In negotiations early this year with Witkoff and others, Hamas even put this in writing - again with the offer of releasing all the hostages - contingent on a stop of Israeli aggression, the continuation of humanitarian aid and the Israeli troops to withdraw from the strip. That treaty was then changed by the US and Israel in May this year before it was rejected. This has been modus operandi from the beginning from the US and Israel. After they had a deal, change it, make it look as if Hamas is rejecting the deal and capitalize on it. In fact, if you go back in history, you'll find the same strategy over and over again, to make it look like "Palestinians rejected peace". And last but not least: You are telling people to lay down their weapons, that have been under a brutal siege for over two years, while ignoring the side that put in place the siege and genocidal aggression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 23 points 10 months ago (1 child) Hamas has been willing to hand over governership of Gaza to a Unity Government for over 10 years. When they first made the agreement back in 2014, Israel bombed them. Not in the 2008 Gaza war or the 2012 Gaza war, but actually it was the 2014 Gaza war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 16 points 10 months ago Yes indeed, that's true. The difference is that now, they don't even want to be part of a future "unity government" like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -19 points 10 months ago (2 children) Hamas calling for Israel to not react to their attack two days earlier is ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 10 months ago* Netanyahu has literally given interviews about how he and Israel have financially supported Hama's as controlled opposition. Israel is also the size of New jersey (for Americans) or Slovenia. It is tiny. It is a 6 hour drive or an hour by helicopter. The Israel extreme militarized state, with tons of vehicles and helicopters, didn't react at all to an attack where sponsered money bought weapons 10 hours later, when there were 2000 people against 169500 active members and 465000 in reserve. Then when specifically asked if there was an order to the IDF to stand down and not repel the attackers, Israeli leaders have refused to deny it. Israel with 80000% larger military not reacting at all for 10 hours is ridiculous. By the way, Israel has had over 1900 Palestinian hostages for a decade not charged or tried at all for supposed crimes including up to 1000 children that they rape with dogs and IDF soldiers, abuse, and torture daily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel expecting no aggression after kidnapping thousands of civilians and enforcing an illegal blockade, and stealing land is ridiculous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel was expecting violent attacks from Gaza, just not at the scale. There had been attacks on and off since before the blockade of Gaza started. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were "too close". yhea, that's straight up murder. also, Israel complains that Hamas isn't returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held. also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again. also limiting aid entry. they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 23 points 10 months ago (1 child) Hamas has been willing to hand over governership of Gaza to a Unity Government for over 10 years. When they first made the agreement back in 2014, Israel bombed them. Not in the 2008 Gaza war or the 2012 Gaza war, but actually it was the 2014 Gaza war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 16 points 10 months ago Yes indeed, that's true. The difference is that now, they don't even want to be part of a future "unity government" like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 16 points 10 months ago Yes indeed, that's true. The difference is that now, they don't even want to be part of a future "unity government" like in 2014. The only thing they demand now is that the government body consist of Palestinians. Or in other words: Palestinian self-determination. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -19 points 10 months ago (2 children) Hamas calling for Israel to not react to their attack two days earlier is ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 10 months ago* Netanyahu has literally given interviews about how he and Israel have financially supported Hama's as controlled opposition. Israel is also the size of New jersey (for Americans) or Slovenia. It is tiny. It is a 6 hour drive or an hour by helicopter. The Israel extreme militarized state, with tons of vehicles and helicopters, didn't react at all to an attack where sponsered money bought weapons 10 hours later, when there were 2000 people against 169500 active members and 465000 in reserve. Then when specifically asked if there was an order to the IDF to stand down and not repel the attackers, Israeli leaders have refused to deny it. Israel with 80000% larger military not reacting at all for 10 hours is ridiculous. By the way, Israel has had over 1900 Palestinian hostages for a decade not charged or tried at all for supposed crimes including up to 1000 children that they rape with dogs and IDF soldiers, abuse, and torture daily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel expecting no aggression after kidnapping thousands of civilians and enforcing an illegal blockade, and stealing land is ridiculous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel was expecting violent attacks from Gaza, just not at the scale. There had been attacks on and off since before the blockade of Gaza started. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were "too close". yhea, that's straight up murder. also, Israel complains that Hamas isn't returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held. also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again. also limiting aid entry. they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 10 months ago* Netanyahu has literally given interviews about how he and Israel have financially supported Hama's as controlled opposition. Israel is also the size of New jersey (for Americans) or Slovenia. It is tiny. It is a 6 hour drive or an hour by helicopter. The Israel extreme militarized state, with tons of vehicles and helicopters, didn't react at all to an attack where sponsered money bought weapons 10 hours later, when there were 2000 people against 169500 active members and 465000 in reserve. Then when specifically asked if there was an order to the IDF to stand down and not repel the attackers, Israeli leaders have refused to deny it. Israel with 80000% larger military not reacting at all for 10 hours is ridiculous. By the way, Israel has had over 1900 Palestinian hostages for a decade not charged or tried at all for supposed crimes including up to 1000 children that they rape with dogs and IDF soldiers, abuse, and torture daily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel expecting no aggression after kidnapping thousands of civilians and enforcing an illegal blockade, and stealing land is ridiculous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel was expecting violent attacks from Gaza, just not at the scale. There had been attacks on and off since before the blockade of Gaza started. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were "too close". yhea, that's straight up murder. also, Israel complains that Hamas isn't returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held. also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again. also limiting aid entry. they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Israel was expecting violent attacks from Gaza, just not at the scale. There had been attacks on and off since before the blockade of Gaza started. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were "too close". yhea, that's straight up murder. also, Israel complains that Hamas isn't returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held. also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again. also limiting aid entry. they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago been following this closely, so far Israelis shot people within the agreed upon territory, because they were "too close". yhea, that's straight up murder. also, Israel complains that Hamas isn't returning all the bodies which is an impossible task due someone bombing civilian areas where hostages being held. also Israel is already kidnapping Palestinians to fill their rape jails again. also limiting aid entry. they are expecting an attack because they have been instigating it non stop by ignoring the ceasefire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 78 points 10 months ago Israel could have stopped operating the largest and most inhumane open-air prison in our lifetime at any point in the past 25 years and significantly fewer people would have died, I'm sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] obre@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago No, they very obviously could not have. Israel was intent on committing genocide regardless of what Palestinians did. You're blaming the victims of an atrocity and should feel ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 49 points 10 months ago (2 children) How did that work out for them the last….10 or so times Israel violated a ceasefire agreement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago @eporetsky@lemmy.world explain yourself permalink fedilink source parent [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -26 points 10 months ago (3 children) There was a ceasefire on October 6th 2023. How did digging in deep and fighting tooth and nail work out for Hamas? It invited total destruction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do it again! I’m enjoying the spectacle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The Israeli military said the strikes were in response to an alleged "attack" by Palestinians on its troops in southern Rafah involving a rocket-propelled grenade and sniper fire. You can learn to read the article yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Surely they would provide evidence for such a bold claim? Oh wait… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) I need some entertainment. How are you going to explain this away this time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Maybe this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago Medical sources announced the martyrdom of citizen Nidal Eid Salmi Abu Hlayb (62 years old) from Al-Qarara, north of Khan Younis, and the arrival of his body at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital after he was shot by Israeli "Quadcopter" drone fire. Are there even quadcopter drones with guns operated by the IDF? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And how do you explain this away as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) These people were likely crossing the yellow line that was agreed upon in the ceasefire deal. The IDF is still in Gaza and enforces a security perimeter. There have been a couple of these cases. Of course I’m not there and don’t know if the soldiers stuck to the rules of engagement or were trigger happy assholes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago @eporetsky@lemmy.world explain yourself permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -26 points 10 months ago (3 children) There was a ceasefire on October 6th 2023. How did digging in deep and fighting tooth and nail work out for Hamas? It invited total destruction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do it again! I’m enjoying the spectacle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The Israeli military said the strikes were in response to an alleged "attack" by Palestinians on its troops in southern Rafah involving a rocket-propelled grenade and sniper fire. You can learn to read the article yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Surely they would provide evidence for such a bold claim? Oh wait… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) I need some entertainment. How are you going to explain this away this time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Maybe this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago Medical sources announced the martyrdom of citizen Nidal Eid Salmi Abu Hlayb (62 years old) from Al-Qarara, north of Khan Younis, and the arrival of his body at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital after he was shot by Israeli "Quadcopter" drone fire. Are there even quadcopter drones with guns operated by the IDF? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And how do you explain this away as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) These people were likely crossing the yellow line that was agreed upon in the ceasefire deal. The IDF is still in Gaza and enforces a security perimeter. There have been a couple of these cases. Of course I’m not there and don’t know if the soldiers stuck to the rules of engagement or were trigger happy assholes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Do it again! I’m enjoying the spectacle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The Israeli military said the strikes were in response to an alleged "attack" by Palestinians on its troops in southern Rafah involving a rocket-propelled grenade and sniper fire. You can learn to read the article yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Surely they would provide evidence for such a bold claim? Oh wait… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The Israeli military said the strikes were in response to an alleged "attack" by Palestinians on its troops in southern Rafah involving a rocket-propelled grenade and sniper fire. You can learn to read the article yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Surely they would provide evidence for such a bold claim? Oh wait… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Surely they would provide evidence for such a bold claim? Oh wait… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago What’s your evidence? A Middle East Eye article? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) I need some entertainment. How are you going to explain this away this time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Maybe this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago Medical sources announced the martyrdom of citizen Nidal Eid Salmi Abu Hlayb (62 years old) from Al-Qarara, north of Khan Younis, and the arrival of his body at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital after he was shot by Israeli "Quadcopter" drone fire. Are there even quadcopter drones with guns operated by the IDF? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago Medical sources announced the martyrdom of citizen Nidal Eid Salmi Abu Hlayb (62 years old) from Al-Qarara, north of Khan Younis, and the arrival of his body at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital after he was shot by Israeli "Quadcopter" drone fire. Are there even quadcopter drones with guns operated by the IDF? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And how do you explain this away as well? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) These people were likely crossing the yellow line that was agreed upon in the ceasefire deal. The IDF is still in Gaza and enforces a security perimeter. There have been a couple of these cases. Of course I’m not there and don’t know if the soldiers stuck to the rules of engagement or were trigger happy assholes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 child) These people were likely crossing the yellow line that was agreed upon in the ceasefire deal. The IDF is still in Gaza and enforces a security perimeter. There have been a couple of these cases. Of course I’m not there and don’t know if the soldiers stuck to the rules of engagement or were trigger happy assholes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mrdown@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -31 points 10 months ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine? You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas. The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now? The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal. Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists? permalink fedilink source parent [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) Israel is not a real country (It's a zionist settler-colonial regime). Get on with the facts & reality permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) All countries are manmade. That's a non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago Not Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Last I checked it is a real country. Get with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -31 points 10 months ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas considers all of Israel to be occupied Palestine? You are in fact suggesting, Israel could have just rolled over, dissolved itself, and surrendered to Hamas. The deals Hamas offered were practically an Israeli surrender. Why should Israel allow Hamas to stay in power, claim victory, rearm, and do another October 7th in five years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now? The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal. Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists? permalink fedilink source parent [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) Israel is not a real country (It's a zionist settler-colonial regime). Get on with the facts & reality permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) All countries are manmade. That's a non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago Not Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Last I checked it is a real country. Get with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago Are you aware that Hamas has no advanced weapons to be able to destroy Israel? Are you aware that I do not support the destruction of Israel although Israel is the one trying to destroy Palestine right now? The deals Hamas offered was not an Israeli surrender because Israel always rearrest people released during previous deal. Netenyahu always said he reject any kind of Palestinian state so why do you still act like Hamas is the problem and not Israel the occupier who refuse to return post 67 Palestinians land. Israel is not goin anywhere so what the hell do Israel keep building illegal settlements in the west bank and arms and protects the settler terrorists? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) Israel is not a real country (It's a zionist settler-colonial regime). Get on with the facts & reality permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) All countries are manmade. That's a non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago Not Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Last I checked it is a real country. Get with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) All countries are manmade. That's a non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago Not Israel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Last I checked it is a real country. Get with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 child) They barricaded them in a prison city. They even blockaded any sea access they had. They shot tank rounds at children for fun. They eradicated every single building they could. Spare us the diatribe. Fuck Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -15 points 10 months ago When Israel left Gaza in 2005, there was no blockade. It took years of attacks until it was instated to stop the smuggling of weapons. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -15 points 10 months ago When Israel left Gaza in 2005, there was no blockade. It took years of attacks until it was instated to stop the smuggling of weapons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) people being this clueless still amazes me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anas@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (2 children) Nobody typing that is clueless, they’re getting paid (or scammed, if they’re not getting paid). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 10 months ago Exactly, anyone still this clueless is a troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) All all those lemmy news communities mods let Zionists spread the propaganda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago When they weren't spreading it themselves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anas@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (2 children) Nobody typing that is clueless, they’re getting paid (or scammed, if they’re not getting paid). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 10 months ago Exactly, anyone still this clueless is a troll. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mrdown@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) All all those lemmy news communities mods let Zionists spread the propaganda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago When they weren't spreading it themselves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 13 points 10 months ago Exactly, anyone still this clueless is a troll. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 child) All all those lemmy news communities mods let Zionists spread the propaganda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago When they weren't spreading it themselves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago When they weren't spreading it themselves. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] dfijaf345r435@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rising_man@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children) When are we going to recognize that both Hamas and the current Israeli government are shitty murderous people that are backed by quite a big % of their population. It's not about being pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. It's about backing muderers or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Yes. And yet you'll get banned from plenty of lemmy subs for saying it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago Well said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago Yes. And yet you'll get banned from plenty of lemmy subs for saying it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) even with the ceasefire, Israel is still enforcing starvation Israel to halve Gaza aid over slow return of dead hostages https://ground.news/article/israel-to-halve-gaza-aid-over-slow-return-of-dead-hostages_89770c permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago 300 trucks per day are still coming in, which is plenty to keep Gaza fed. Not all aid is food. There’s also construction materials and all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -3 points 10 months ago 300 trucks per day are still coming in, which is plenty to keep Gaza fed. Not all aid is food. There’s also construction materials and all kinds of other stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago They could have and they should have. In fact, Hamas shouldn't have existed in the first place but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas permalink fedilink source parent