▲ 543 ▼ 'Read' and its past tense are spelled the same. How should they be spelled? (lemmy.world) submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 180 comments fedilink hide all child comments What about similar oddities in English? (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/193/ (link found by BunScientist@lemmy.zip)) Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.
[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 child) A French. The language where you have 5 wovels, use 3 for the word goose and the other 2 to pronounce it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) What? The e is just silent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) The French word for goose is Oie, pronounced "ua" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) If you look at an IPA chart, you can see how going from /i/ to /e/ to /a/ is a process of the vowel becoming more and more "open" over time (said with the mouth wider and wider). In Quebec, the vowel shift that caused "oi" to have a /wa/ sound didn't fully happen. So, the word "moi" is often pronounced more like /mwe/ or /mwɛ/. But "oiseau" (bird) is still pronounced with a /wa/. The modern French pronunciation of the Loire river /lwaʁ/ influences the English pronunciation /lwɑːr/. But, other languages use a spelling that matches the French but have a different pronunciation. In Italian and Spanish it's Loira. The Latin name was Liger. So, it used to have a /i/ pronunciation before the vowel shift. tl;dr: modern French pronunciation vs spelling is just about as bad as English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Ils sont fous, ces Français. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago It's really not. Maybe if you pronounce an English 'u', but not a French one. Source: I'm French Canadian. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) What? The e is just silent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) The French word for goose is Oie, pronounced "ua" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) If you look at an IPA chart, you can see how going from /i/ to /e/ to /a/ is a process of the vowel becoming more and more "open" over time (said with the mouth wider and wider). In Quebec, the vowel shift that caused "oi" to have a /wa/ sound didn't fully happen. So, the word "moi" is often pronounced more like /mwe/ or /mwɛ/. But "oiseau" (bird) is still pronounced with a /wa/. The modern French pronunciation of the Loire river /lwaʁ/ influences the English pronunciation /lwɑːr/. But, other languages use a spelling that matches the French but have a different pronunciation. In Italian and Spanish it's Loira. The Latin name was Liger. So, it used to have a /i/ pronunciation before the vowel shift. tl;dr: modern French pronunciation vs spelling is just about as bad as English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Ils sont fous, ces Français. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago It's really not. Maybe if you pronounce an English 'u', but not a French one. Source: I'm French Canadian. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) The French word for goose is Oie, pronounced "ua" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) If you look at an IPA chart, you can see how going from /i/ to /e/ to /a/ is a process of the vowel becoming more and more "open" over time (said with the mouth wider and wider). In Quebec, the vowel shift that caused "oi" to have a /wa/ sound didn't fully happen. So, the word "moi" is often pronounced more like /mwe/ or /mwɛ/. But "oiseau" (bird) is still pronounced with a /wa/. The modern French pronunciation of the Loire river /lwaʁ/ influences the English pronunciation /lwɑːr/. But, other languages use a spelling that matches the French but have a different pronunciation. In Italian and Spanish it's Loira. The Latin name was Liger. So, it used to have a /i/ pronunciation before the vowel shift. tl;dr: modern French pronunciation vs spelling is just about as bad as English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Ils sont fous, ces Français. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago It's really not. Maybe if you pronounce an English 'u', but not a French one. Source: I'm French Canadian. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) If you look at an IPA chart, you can see how going from /i/ to /e/ to /a/ is a process of the vowel becoming more and more "open" over time (said with the mouth wider and wider). In Quebec, the vowel shift that caused "oi" to have a /wa/ sound didn't fully happen. So, the word "moi" is often pronounced more like /mwe/ or /mwɛ/. But "oiseau" (bird) is still pronounced with a /wa/. The modern French pronunciation of the Loire river /lwaʁ/ influences the English pronunciation /lwɑːr/. But, other languages use a spelling that matches the French but have a different pronunciation. In Italian and Spanish it's Loira. The Latin name was Liger. So, it used to have a /i/ pronunciation before the vowel shift. tl;dr: modern French pronunciation vs spelling is just about as bad as English. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Ils sont fous, ces Français. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago Ils sont fous, ces Français. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago It's really not. Maybe if you pronounce an English 'u', but not a French one. Source: I'm French Canadian. permalink fedilink source parent
