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Megathread: Charlie Kirk Shot at Utah Valley University Event (time.com)
submitted 11 months ago by [M] to c/news@lemmy.world
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[–] 85 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

Trump blames harsh language for Kirk's death

Trump posted a video that appeared to be filmed in the Oval Office Wednesday evening on Truth Social, blaming Kirk's death on harsh political rhetoric.

He said "violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree."

He added: "For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now."

U.S. terror experts have warned of rising threats from so-called stochastic terrorism, in which sometimes unstable individuals are inspired to violence by hate speech and scenarios they see online and hear echoed by public figures.

Whaaaaattt??? I am so totally shocked to hear this accusation coming from Trump.

After the FBI has already apparently arrested and released 2 suspects... That's another great thing about firing every FBI agent that was qualified to do their job in retaliation for Jan 6th. You never quite know what's incompetence vs conspiracy these days.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Lolololololol because Trump is sooooo respectful in his language. He would never exaggerate or demonize people simply because they disagreed with him. Boo fucking hoo that there's people calling you a nazi, if it's such a problem then maybe he should stop doing things that are so easily a direct comparison to what hitler did. What an absolute joke of president.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Man, this is a wonderful distraction from the Trumpstein files, eh?

    Trump is personally making it his mission to defend this "wonderful American", as if he's the only person in the United States to die from gun violence.

    And the double-standard to say this was caused by political rhetoric while still using terms like "the radical left".

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Yeah I know its straight out of the Fascist playbook, but this is way to conveniently timed and flawlessly executed. Its going to take some pretty compelling evidence for me to be convinced that this wasn't a false flag. I definitely wont trust that its whomever the regime eventually pins it on.

    Charlie was a disposable pawn of right wing moneyed interests, and he will continue to serve those interests in death.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    You know what... All those files dropped, it was looking bad for Trump, and that shot was surgical, rifle shot through the neck for one of the least liked mouth pieces and his death is announced by the President.

    Not an unbelievable conspiracy.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    And they somehow can't find the shooter. So if nobody's a suspect, everybody's a suspect.

    Like I'm just thinking about the lockdown procedure that most campuses have in place and wondering how somebody could just walk away after doing this from the roof of some building.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Like I’m just thinking about the lockdown procedure that most campuses have in place and wondering how somebody could just walk away after doing this from the roof of some building.

    University "lockdown" is quite different than elementary and HS lockdowns, as there's not just one building. There are many buildings, and locking the entire campus down would mean, on a typical campus, locking down a small city. Its just not possible to do.

    Especially if one knows the infra rooms and halls. One local campus, they could lock it down, and I'd still be able to leave via the utility halls under the campus, leading to the public utility tunnels.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I was literally on a university campus. The entire campus was on lockdown even though the person with a gun was only seen by one person in the parking garage. They had individual security members doing rounds on different floors of each building and alerts sent via text and email telling people to shelter in place until further notice.

    It's not that it guarantees nobody leaves, but it makes it so there are fewer people wandering around unidentified while they're looking for a dangerous suspect or suspects.

    That's why people were getting scolded for leaving the rooms where they were sheltering to even go to the bathroom while security was doing rounds.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    The last uni campus I was on, when we had an active shooter, they locked down 2 buildings, and the area between them. No reason to lock down buildings clear on the other side of campus, keeping people in possible harms way.

    I guess different schools, different rules, but locking down 36,000 people on a 1000 acre campus seems... Hardly effective.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like a sharp shooter on a roof always calls for some extreme safety precautions. Sending people scrambling out in the open to their cars seems like the worst idea.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    I mean, it's better than containing a bunch of soft targets in confined areas... like literally shooting fish in a barrel.

    I mean, it's not like cops are going to come to save you, look at Uvalde if you think otherwise.

    Me? I'm getting the fuck OUT of a kill zone, not locking myself in one. The wider people spread, the better it is for all involved.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Whats hilarious is that they say it was “radical left” people every time, and yet ultimately it always trickles out later that the person who did it was either politically conservative, or just generally a nut. To my knowledge no one has actually ever shot anyone because they held progressive or liberal beliefs.

    The guy who “shot” Trump, accused liberal but verified conservative. The guy who hid at Trumps golf course trying to do the same? Verified conservative. The trans highschool shooter from a couple weeks ago? Accused liberal, but was actually just a straight up nazi glorifier. Like id give it better odds that the person who shot Kirk was a conservative who was mad about the Epstein files, just like the kid who tried to assassinate Trump was. Id say its also not far fetched that Kirk was a sacrificial lamb executed by his own party in order to secure the young conservative vote by generating a martyr. Its at least way more likely than someone with progressive and humanistic beliefs shooting him, considering assassinations and humanism dont exactly go hand in hand. Not to mention its suspicious as fuck that he was shot from a crowd and they somehow didnt catch the shooter…

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