▲ 357 ▼ DDR4 costs soar as manufacturers pull the plug — panic buying and stockpiling impact DDR4 spot pricing as supply dwindles (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 11 months ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 95 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RedIce25@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children) Did this also happen when DDR3 was phased out? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago It happens every time different types of ram are phased out. The price drops for a while until excess inventory is sold off and then prices increase due to scarcity. You wouldn’t see it with SSDs because new models tend to be backward compatible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hule@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) I think DDR3 only became more expensive than DDR4 when there were no new motherboards to support them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) AI is speeding up the process of retiring DDR4 if I am not wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rezad@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) care to explain a bit more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) AI is the culprit. Memory manufacturers prefer to use their available production capacity to make DDR5 and HBM memory. Both forms of faster memory play a role in modern (AI) systems. DDR5 is also the standard for modern computers, but HBM memory is particularly popular for AI accelerators. Manufacturers have no motivation to increase DDR4 capacity. DDR5 and HBM5 have more customers, and manufacturers who want the legacy memory have no choice but to pay a premium. Source: https://itdaily.com/news/business/ai-maakt-ddr4-duurder-dan-ddr5/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chameleon@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago I've seen the claim around but I'm highly skeptical of it. DDR5 is far too slow for anything where memory bandwidth really matters, any newly produced chip that's gonna be used for AI is on HBM3 or HBM3e, or possibly GDDR6/GDDR7 if it's a GPU pulled from the consumer segment. HBM5 is still a very, very early research project and is certainly not being produced yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago It happens every time different types of ram are phased out. The price drops for a while until excess inventory is sold off and then prices increase due to scarcity. You wouldn’t see it with SSDs because new models tend to be backward compatible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hule@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) I think DDR3 only became more expensive than DDR4 when there were no new motherboards to support them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) AI is speeding up the process of retiring DDR4 if I am not wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rezad@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) care to explain a bit more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) AI is the culprit. Memory manufacturers prefer to use their available production capacity to make DDR5 and HBM memory. Both forms of faster memory play a role in modern (AI) systems. DDR5 is also the standard for modern computers, but HBM memory is particularly popular for AI accelerators. Manufacturers have no motivation to increase DDR4 capacity. DDR5 and HBM5 have more customers, and manufacturers who want the legacy memory have no choice but to pay a premium. Source: https://itdaily.com/news/business/ai-maakt-ddr4-duurder-dan-ddr5/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chameleon@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago I've seen the claim around but I'm highly skeptical of it. DDR5 is far too slow for anything where memory bandwidth really matters, any newly produced chip that's gonna be used for AI is on HBM3 or HBM3e, or possibly GDDR6/GDDR7 if it's a GPU pulled from the consumer segment. HBM5 is still a very, very early research project and is certainly not being produced yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) AI is speeding up the process of retiring DDR4 if I am not wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rezad@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) care to explain a bit more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) AI is the culprit. Memory manufacturers prefer to use their available production capacity to make DDR5 and HBM memory. Both forms of faster memory play a role in modern (AI) systems. DDR5 is also the standard for modern computers, but HBM memory is particularly popular for AI accelerators. Manufacturers have no motivation to increase DDR4 capacity. DDR5 and HBM5 have more customers, and manufacturers who want the legacy memory have no choice but to pay a premium. Source: https://itdaily.com/news/business/ai-maakt-ddr4-duurder-dan-ddr5/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chameleon@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago I've seen the claim around but I'm highly skeptical of it. DDR5 is far too slow for anything where memory bandwidth really matters, any newly produced chip that's gonna be used for AI is on HBM3 or HBM3e, or possibly GDDR6/GDDR7 if it's a GPU pulled from the consumer segment. HBM5 is still a very, very early research project and is certainly not being produced yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rezad@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) care to explain a bit more? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) AI is the culprit. Memory manufacturers prefer to use their available production capacity to make DDR5 and HBM memory. Both forms of faster memory play a role in modern (AI) systems. DDR5 is also the standard for modern computers, but HBM memory is particularly popular for AI accelerators. Manufacturers have no motivation to increase DDR4 capacity. DDR5 and HBM5 have more customers, and manufacturers who want the legacy memory have no choice but to pay a premium. Source: https://itdaily.com/news/business/ai-maakt-ddr4-duurder-dan-ddr5/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chameleon@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago I've seen the claim around but I'm highly skeptical of it. DDR5 is far too slow for anything where memory bandwidth really matters, any newly produced chip that's gonna be used for AI is on HBM3 or HBM3e, or possibly GDDR6/GDDR7 if it's a GPU pulled from the consumer segment. HBM5 is still a very, very early research project and is certainly not being produced yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) AI is the culprit. Memory manufacturers prefer to use their available production capacity to make DDR5 and HBM memory. Both forms of faster memory play a role in modern (AI) systems. DDR5 is also the standard for modern computers, but HBM memory is particularly popular for AI accelerators. Manufacturers have no motivation to increase DDR4 capacity. DDR5 and HBM5 have more customers, and manufacturers who want the legacy memory have no choice but to pay a premium. Source: https://itdaily.com/news/business/ai-maakt-ddr4-duurder-dan-ddr5/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chameleon@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago I've seen the claim around but I'm highly skeptical of it. DDR5 is far too slow for anything where memory bandwidth really matters, any newly produced chip that's gonna be used for AI is on HBM3 or HBM3e, or possibly GDDR6/GDDR7 if it's a GPU pulled from the consumer segment. HBM5 is still a very, very early research project and is certainly not being produced yet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chameleon@fedia.io 2 points 11 months ago I've seen the claim around but I'm highly skeptical of it. DDR5 is far too slow for anything where memory bandwidth really matters, any newly produced chip that's gonna be used for AI is on HBM3 or HBM3e, or possibly GDDR6/GDDR7 if it's a GPU pulled from the consumer segment. HBM5 is still a very, very early research project and is certainly not being produced yet. permalink fedilink source parent