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Kick faces possible $49 M fine after French streamer Jean Pormanove dies on air (www.dexerto.com)
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[–] 157 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It is insane how it is even possible to live stream the torture of someone for months without any law enforcement getting involved.

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  • [–] 76 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    They kinda did. The dudes were taken in as part of an ongoing investigation but were then released. I can see why it’s fared for the cops when even the victims are saying it’s by their own choice. But it’s no excuse for kick.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/outcry-over-french-streamers-death-on-air-as-authorities-probe-allegations-of-abuse/

    The investigation, opened in December, is looking into “deliberate violence against vulnerable persons” and “spreading recordings of images related to offences involving deliberate violations of physical integrity,” Martinelli’s statement said. It did not specify why Pormanove could be considered vulnerable.

    The statement said two co-streamers allegedly involved in the case were briefly taken into custody in January but were released pending further investigation.

    In parallel, the Nice prosecutor said, investigators interviewed Pormanove and one of his co-streamers who both appeared to be victims of violence and humiliation. They “strongly denied being victims of violence, stating that the events were staged in order to `generate a buzz’ and make money.”

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, the footage is all public, right? Why shouldn't the cops be able to watch it with their own eyes, and determine if it's kosher?

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    execution of the law is always more complicated than we want it to be. They could have been let off as the investigation continued if the victim told the cops "i did everything with full consent and it was all an act for the entertainment of the stream.". Cops/W/e the french version of DA is would possibly need to continue the investigation to show that either he was unable to consent to the actions or it was a lie that there was consent.

    I'm just a layperson and maybe it was more cut and dry and the cops really dropped the ball. It just doesn't seem so cut and dry legally to me. Will be interesting to see the outcome of the investigation from this.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    You know how NDAs are generally not enforceable in a court of law, no matter if the person "consented" or not, because some things are just not legal, and chances are theyre not knowledgeable enough to make that decision anyway? Kind of like how Statutory Rape works? Yeah. That, but with actual fucking torture thats broadcast publicly.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Huh? Why are you bringing up NDA's?

    To be clear, the acts committed by these people are heinous. They should and hopefully eventually will face jail time. I'd be happy for employees or executives of kick to face similar. They are complicit as well.

    My argument was that execution of the law is hard and never as easy as we would like it to be.

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It’s all over the place on Facebook and Twitter though. There’s dog fighting, cock fighting, monkey abuse showing up on my Facebook home feed every now and then. This shouldn’t be a surprise really.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Thats just like, your algorithm man. -Labowskie

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I’d love to know why an algorithm shows me this stuff as I don’t look any of it up. It’s quite traumatic to see. It’s the reason I don’t use these social media apps anymore. They’re all suggested posts and it’s an assault.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)
    • Algorithm shows a preview of a chaotic scene where the content isn't easily identified.
    • You open / interact / linger on it to figure out what is happening before identifying it as something you don't want to look at.
    • Algorithm detects increased interaction and happily serves up more.

    I play a little game with Instagram sometimes. I click on one (1) thirst trap bikini girl post in the search reel. Then I see how many times I have to press the little 3 dot menu and pick "not interested" on allllll the other thirst trap bikini girl posts that immediately appear.

    I generally have to press "not interested" about 15 times before my feed reverts to only having bikini girl thirst traps once every 20 or so posts.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I used to get sucked in by cop videos on TikTok. I think it's the curiosity. I hated it. I'd get shown so many. I didn't enjoy watching them. I thought a lot about what's happening and I really think it's just the initial hook of "what's happening here???" because there's a cop. I had to actively scroll away as fast as possible every time I saw them to get that shit away. I finally did, but it was rough. It's easy to fall into traps like that with social media algorithms. They aren't meant to maximize your enjoyment, they're meant to maximize your retention, engagement, and spending.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    FB is known for doing this, plus thier obvious propaganda, they want engagement so any drama they can randomly push will increase that. YOutube is a close second. thats why right wing drama is very good for business in general.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Generally it shows us content that makes us mad. Sadly, and opposite to what we thibk, humans are more likely to engage with content thst pisses us off. Maybe it took things too far with yours. Possibly you commented on how fucked up one post was so it showed you more. Dunno.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Seriously, all these comments about fucked-up and predatory content...has anyone considered quitting Facebook? Or just algorithmically-served content altogether? Am I crazy for preferring to build and do my best to expand my own silo rather than having billionaire-owned corporations do it for me?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Facebook goes wild if you don't really interact with it other than to browse.

    Pause for a microsecond over something, welp I guess that's your hobby now. For some reason mine always shows me chess. I have never played chess. Hate it. A family member on my Facebook friends list likes chess. FB just goes "chess? how about chess?" like it's got nothing else to really offer other than flag waving racism.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Yeah. Ive noticed I get content based on who's been aroind.

    Drop kick cousin - graffiti content. Partners nerd friend - board games. Small family members - shitty gen z YouTubers.

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