▲ 718 ▼ Remember (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 11 months ago by db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com [M] to c/flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (4 children) Ok, capitalism bad, but are we actually pretending that feudalism isn't worse? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 27 points 11 months ago we also created farms and art before feudalism. feudalism is also a capitalist structured society. capitalism did not come into existence when adam smith described it, he was just discussing how feudalism gates access to the commons through access to power. capitalism has existed for 12000 years, at least, we only started calling it capitalism in the 1700s. the key features of capitalism are owners of wealth generating resources, and workers who are paid to generate wealth using these wealth generating resources. in the age of feudalism, the wealth generating resource was the land itself, and how the ownership class acquired it was through their access to violence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 26 points 11 months ago (1 child) I don't think c/flippanarchy is advocating for feudalism in their critique of capitalism, but I could be wrong! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -14 points 11 months ago (1 child) There's not much else to choose from if you are looking at cities, etc, built before modern capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 26 points 11 months ago (1 child) You are missing the point. Here it is again: Capitalism is not a requirement for human advancement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If that's the point, then stop pointing to the past as an example of it. All that's proving is that there are worse options we have tried. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 11 months ago Is it? Admittedly we don't know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago Feudalism isn't particularly far removed from capitalism. Even its natural shift to what is often called cronyism is a basically feudalism without the titles. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 child) Nobody is pretending that. Get real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Can I link this post next time I run into someone saying exactly that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud. You know what the post was about. Nobody, with any real credibility, is making an anti-capitalist argument that is also pro-feudalism. This post can only be construed as pro-feudalism if you squint, turn your head sideways, and shove it up your own ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud, this post doesn't exist in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Wow, so profound. Should we have to consider every argument some dipshit makes/might make every time we open our mouths? Is that what context means? Of course it doesn't. Ridiculous. Back to the context of this post, there is no stretch of the imagination where OP was making a pro-feudalist argument. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 27 points 11 months ago we also created farms and art before feudalism. feudalism is also a capitalist structured society. capitalism did not come into existence when adam smith described it, he was just discussing how feudalism gates access to the commons through access to power. capitalism has existed for 12000 years, at least, we only started calling it capitalism in the 1700s. the key features of capitalism are owners of wealth generating resources, and workers who are paid to generate wealth using these wealth generating resources. in the age of feudalism, the wealth generating resource was the land itself, and how the ownership class acquired it was through their access to violence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 26 points 11 months ago (1 child) I don't think c/flippanarchy is advocating for feudalism in their critique of capitalism, but I could be wrong! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -14 points 11 months ago (1 child) There's not much else to choose from if you are looking at cities, etc, built before modern capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 26 points 11 months ago (1 child) You are missing the point. Here it is again: Capitalism is not a requirement for human advancement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If that's the point, then stop pointing to the past as an example of it. All that's proving is that there are worse options we have tried. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 11 months ago Is it? Admittedly we don't know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -14 points 11 months ago (1 child) There's not much else to choose from if you are looking at cities, etc, built before modern capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 26 points 11 months ago (1 child) You are missing the point. Here it is again: Capitalism is not a requirement for human advancement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If that's the point, then stop pointing to the past as an example of it. All that's proving is that there are worse options we have tried. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 11 months ago Is it? Admittedly we don't know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 26 points 11 months ago (1 child) You are missing the point. Here it is again: Capitalism is not a requirement for human advancement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If that's the point, then stop pointing to the past as an example of it. All that's proving is that there are worse options we have tried. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 11 months ago Is it? Admittedly we don't know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If that's the point, then stop pointing to the past as an example of it. All that's proving is that there are worse options we have tried. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 11 months ago Is it? Admittedly we don't know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 11 months ago Is it? Admittedly we don't know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago Feudalism isn't particularly far removed from capitalism. Even its natural shift to what is often called cronyism is a basically feudalism without the titles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 child) Nobody is pretending that. Get real. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Can I link this post next time I run into someone saying exactly that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud. You know what the post was about. Nobody, with any real credibility, is making an anti-capitalist argument that is also pro-feudalism. This post can only be construed as pro-feudalism if you squint, turn your head sideways, and shove it up your own ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud, this post doesn't exist in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Wow, so profound. Should we have to consider every argument some dipshit makes/might make every time we open our mouths? Is that what context means? Of course it doesn't. Ridiculous. Back to the context of this post, there is no stretch of the imagination where OP was making a pro-feudalist argument. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Can I link this post next time I run into someone saying exactly that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud. You know what the post was about. Nobody, with any real credibility, is making an anti-capitalist argument that is also pro-feudalism. This post can only be construed as pro-feudalism if you squint, turn your head sideways, and shove it up your own ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud, this post doesn't exist in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Wow, so profound. Should we have to consider every argument some dipshit makes/might make every time we open our mouths? Is that what context means? Of course it doesn't. Ridiculous. Back to the context of this post, there is no stretch of the imagination where OP was making a pro-feudalist argument. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud. You know what the post was about. Nobody, with any real credibility, is making an anti-capitalist argument that is also pro-feudalism. This post can only be construed as pro-feudalism if you squint, turn your head sideways, and shove it up your own ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud, this post doesn't exist in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Wow, so profound. Should we have to consider every argument some dipshit makes/might make every time we open our mouths? Is that what context means? Of course it doesn't. Ridiculous. Back to the context of this post, there is no stretch of the imagination where OP was making a pro-feudalist argument. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Holy fuck bud, this post doesn't exist in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Wow, so profound. Should we have to consider every argument some dipshit makes/might make every time we open our mouths? Is that what context means? Of course it doesn't. Ridiculous. Back to the context of this post, there is no stretch of the imagination where OP was making a pro-feudalist argument. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Wow, so profound. Should we have to consider every argument some dipshit makes/might make every time we open our mouths? Is that what context means? Of course it doesn't. Ridiculous. Back to the context of this post, there is no stretch of the imagination where OP was making a pro-feudalist argument. permalink fedilink source parent
