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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago (4 children) The ability to strip away the title of "human being" is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] blah3166@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance The world would be better off if everyone with racist views disappeared today. Let's not defend those who would not hesitate to oppress us. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bubbey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack. Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump? Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It's incredibly very awful. ... But I'm still gonna pop the shampaign. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jumping back here to say that we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. Is the only thing I'm saying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're arguing against things I did not say nor imply. I have made no argument here against self defense nor for civility. I am abiding the paradox of tolerance by not tolerating dehumanizing rhetoric. Because I believe that rhetoric enables fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You need to work on your reading comprehension. I have said absolutely nothing about whether or not to celebrate the death of a nazi, neither does the paradox of tolerance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. "the horrible ideology took a loss" sure sounds like "the horrible ideology" of nazism "took a loss" of the death of one of their own. To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What those criteria are matters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soulg@ani.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And they're all bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) You are right. If we exclude any population from rehabilitation, we exclude ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Until they are rehabilitated though, I will treat them as maggots. Being human does not automatically grant you untouchability for your actions. It doesn't absolve you of your sins. It does not mean anyone around you must tolerate your continued existence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago No, I can't blame anyone for visiting harm on Nazis. But that is a temporary solution. If we are to nullify supremacist ideologies, we must eacape survival of the fittest world views. Any ideology that requires violence will be surpassed by the next strongest, including the ideology that kills Nazis and white supremacists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blah3166@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance The world would be better off if everyone with racist views disappeared today. Let's not defend those who would not hesitate to oppress us. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bubbey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack. Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump? Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It's incredibly very awful. ... But I'm still gonna pop the shampaign. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jumping back here to say that we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. Is the only thing I'm saying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're arguing against things I did not say nor imply. I have made no argument here against self defense nor for civility. I am abiding the paradox of tolerance by not tolerating dehumanizing rhetoric. Because I believe that rhetoric enables fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You need to work on your reading comprehension. I have said absolutely nothing about whether or not to celebrate the death of a nazi, neither does the paradox of tolerance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. "the horrible ideology took a loss" sure sounds like "the horrible ideology" of nazism "took a loss" of the death of one of their own. To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bubbey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack. Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump? Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It's incredibly very awful. ... But I'm still gonna pop the shampaign. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump? Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It's incredibly very awful. ... But I'm still gonna pop the shampaign. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jumping back here to say that we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. Is the only thing I'm saying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're arguing against things I did not say nor imply. I have made no argument here against self defense nor for civility. I am abiding the paradox of tolerance by not tolerating dehumanizing rhetoric. Because I believe that rhetoric enables fascism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You need to work on your reading comprehension. I have said absolutely nothing about whether or not to celebrate the death of a nazi, neither does the paradox of tolerance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. "the horrible ideology took a loss" sure sounds like "the horrible ideology" of nazism "took a loss" of the death of one of their own. To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You need to work on your reading comprehension. I have said absolutely nothing about whether or not to celebrate the death of a nazi, neither does the paradox of tolerance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. "the horrible ideology took a loss" sure sounds like "the horrible ideology" of nazism "took a loss" of the death of one of their own. To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You need to work on your reading comprehension. I have said absolutely nothing about whether or not to celebrate the death of a nazi, neither does the paradox of tolerance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. "the horrible ideology took a loss" sure sounds like "the horrible ideology" of nazism "took a loss" of the death of one of their own. To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. "the horrible ideology took a loss" sure sounds like "the horrible ideology" of nazism "took a loss" of the death of one of their own. To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) This entire conversation is on a post about the death of a nazi. "the horrible ideology took a loss" sure sounds like "the horrible ideology" of nazism "took a loss" of the death of one of their own. To go back to the point I was making in that comment, where did I say anything about celebration? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Except I'm not. My scope has been very limited to the dehumanization aspect. But otherwise I'm done with you arguing in bad faith permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) What those criteria are matters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soulg@ani.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And they're all bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soulg@ani.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And they're all bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) You are right. If we exclude any population from rehabilitation, we exclude ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Until they are rehabilitated though, I will treat them as maggots. Being human does not automatically grant you untouchability for your actions. It doesn't absolve you of your sins. It does not mean anyone around you must tolerate your continued existence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago No, I can't blame anyone for visiting harm on Nazis. But that is a temporary solution. If we are to nullify supremacist ideologies, we must eacape survival of the fittest world views. Any ideology that requires violence will be surpassed by the next strongest, including the ideology that kills Nazis and white supremacists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Until they are rehabilitated though, I will treat them as maggots. Being human does not automatically grant you untouchability for your actions. It doesn't absolve you of your sins. It does not mean anyone around you must tolerate your continued existence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago No, I can't blame anyone for visiting harm on Nazis. But that is a temporary solution. If we are to nullify supremacist ideologies, we must eacape survival of the fittest world views. Any ideology that requires violence will be surpassed by the next strongest, including the ideology that kills Nazis and white supremacists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago No, I can't blame anyone for visiting harm on Nazis. But that is a temporary solution. If we are to nullify supremacist ideologies, we must eacape survival of the fittest world views. Any ideology that requires violence will be surpassed by the next strongest, including the ideology that kills Nazis and white supremacists. permalink fedilink source parent