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Some of y'all are not ready to hear this... (lemmy.world)
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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know why we keep having to have this talk about why reformism doesn't work. Rosa Luxembourg addressed this pretty well.

We aren't likely to get Reformations, the problems with the Democratic party are baked directly in to the institution.

Anything offered as Reformation is a token to ensure that the masses don't revolt at least until the Reformation can be clawrd back by the powers that be.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Want to watch the Democrat party change?

    Start primarying left and right.

    It'll change.

    We've watched conservative voters change the Republican party to the traitor party they are today in less than 2 decades. It's completely possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The Democrat Elites thought of that which is why they use super delegates which ensure that a candidate cannot be too radical.

    Not only that the situation surrounding both parties is entirely different. People saw Donald Trump initially as a harmless moron. People in the DNC see radicals and progressives as an enemy to be contained

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We aren’t likely to get Reformations, the problems with the Democratic party are baked directly in to the institution.

    What's the difference between the Democratic party and the United States of America in this regard? If the Democrats can't be reformed, why can the USA be reformed? If the USA can't be reformed, then what's the point of this discussion?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Well theoretical the DNC is not baked directly into the government and continues its stranglehold by trying to kill all 3rdparty prospects pretty aggressively.

    If a group was able to pull it off and build a completely new political party it could change the fabric of the government the same way MAGA is now however this is not Reformation. Its a soft power Revolution similar to what happened with Adelle in Chile.

    I mean functional what's occurring with the Trump administration is a soft power revolution.

    The point of this discussion is to encourage people to put down the DNC in favor of other organizations like local ones that actually benefit the community by helping the impoverished or to look at other organizations like the DSA or PSL or FSRO which at least help encourage people to learn anarchist or Marxist theory which is significantly better at predicting and helping people navigate the political landscape then the neoliberal theory that lead us here in the first place.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well theoretical the DNC is not baked directly into the government and continues its stranglehold by trying to kill all 3rdparty prospects pretty aggressively.

    No, it's not aggressive at all in trying to kill 3rd parties. That's because 3rd parties aren't a threat to power in this country. It uses 3rd parties as an excuse for their losses, and uses that to go after the left (something it does do aggressively).

    Its a soft power Revolution similar to what happened with Adelle in Chile.

    Chile is a parliamentary system with proportional representation, not a first past the post winner takes all system. Totally different animal.

    I mean functional what’s occurring with the Trump administration is a soft power revolution.

    Yes, executed through an inside strategy of taking over the Republican party. Imagine that.

    The point of this discussion is to encourage people to put down the DNC in favor of other organizations like local ones that actually benefit the community by helping the impoverished or to look at other organizations like the DSA or PSL or FSRO

    If that were the point of this discussion, it would seem like that might have been something to mention before now.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yep because allowing the DNC to blame third parties certainly doesn't create animosity towards third parties nor does it push the illusion that voting anything other than democrat or republican is handing the country over to your opponent.

    Somebody doesn't know about the Socialist Revolution in Chile in the 70s... or the role the United States played in ending that.

    Pretending that parliamentary systems aren't first past the vote is something else. They just happen to have a system where coalitions have a little more power. Definitely hasn't helped in France or the United Kingdom where the two major political parties continue to consolidate power.

    Yes the Republican Party allowed themselves to be taken over since they believe anything for power which Trump is more than happy to oblige.

    As I said before the Republican party did not take Trump seriously until it was too late and did not attempt to remove power from him. Where as the Democratic party actively stamps out Progressive politicians and policies.

    Regardless of how other people feel I'm using this as an opportunity to talk about how the Democrats have failed us at every level politically and are now enabling the fascists take over of the United States and that it's time to abandon the Democrats and find a new party and a new type of political organization. Which is why I suggest talking to the DSA Or the psl or the FSRO.

    Anything these guys teach you will be light years ahead of any political Theory you learn from a Democrat.

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