Try Curve Pay. Just learned about it yesterday. I added my credit card and it just works. Couldn't be happier.

This may seem like a silly solution but maybe pop your debit card inside your phone case. It should bop through it.

I hear so many people praise paying with their phones, and there I am, so happy that I can leave my phone at home when shopping. Each to their own I guess.

"The fact that Google has that locked down surely violates some EU laws. But I'm sure they wave away the laws because of "financial security" or some other bullshit. "

I don't know as much as I'd like to about the regulatory side of this, but I know that Google and other big tech have done a masterful job of proactively building themselves into systems such that taking action against them is difficult.

I think that's part of why the US antitrust case against Microsoft a few decades ago fizzled out into nothing — even though Microsoft was deemed to have been a monopolist, the big question was how do we remedy that in a way that isn't going to be harmful? The consensus on this amongst people who I respect is that the results of the Microsoft case was woefully insufficient and something that helped to lay the foundations of the big tech dominance that we see today.

That is literally the only thing keeping me from installing Graphene on my phone.

I use a smart watch for contact less payments ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I was hesitating due to this as well, until I realized that my payments are something I want google to have data on least of all. So I got a debit card and turns out it is no inconvenience at all.

It's not necessarily a solution, but my Garmin watch can still hold some of my cards, so I don't need the NFC payment on my phone to duplicate that functionality. Do you wear or carry any other devices that can stand-in?

Double negatives are hard. I love Graphene.

What I'm curious is what kind of ball are you shaped like?

A golf ball? With divots all over your skin? A basketball? Just round? A baseball? With stitches all over your skin like later years Chucky? A football? Are you Stewie Griffen? Testicles? Wait, are you saying your whole body is one big testicle? Oh my god, the Iron Shiek wasn't speaking broken english! He was just talking about you!!! "I hit him right in the ball this big!"

Main things holding me back are the apps I already paid for on Google Play, and tap to pay.

In the sense of multiple users in Android settings? That works, it can be enabled in settings -> system -> multiple users. I haven't tested it though, as I don't have any need for that.

I use Microsoft Authenticator and Microsoft Outlook for work, and both work flawlessly with /e/OS. Thankfully I have not had any reason to test Teams, but I'm pretty sure that would work as well.

I can confirm that this works with LineageOS using something like Insular, and I have tested it.