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Where are the #FreeTheHostages people now? (lemmy.ml)
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Where are the #FreeTheHostages people now?

Don't they have empathy for the kidnapped volunteers of #FreedomFlotilla?

Does anyone care about their safety and well being?
#Israel #Gaza #Activism #hostages #Piracy #SanctionIsrael #BDS @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel

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[+] -94 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm all for Greta's actions in nearly every aspect. But what was the freedom flotilla expecting what would happen? That they would peacefully land on the beach, help and go home and not be intercepted?

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (1 child)
    • They were attacked on international waters, which is an act of piracy
    • Preventing access to humanitarian aid is a crime against humanity
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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Actually it was an act of war since it was done using the country's military.

    Piracy is reserved for unaffiliated parties.

    So essentially Israel has committed an act of war against whatever country the boats' are registered under

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Not Italy. But Swedish, Brazilian, German, Turkish, French, etc.

    Those countries won't be too happy if Israel is kidnapping their citizens. And those countries may change their financial and diplomatic relationships with Israel as a result.

    Israel cannot continue the genocide without foreign support. Quite literally they need weapons from those countries

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Those countries won’t be too happy if Israel is kidnapping their citizens.

    One might expect them to care, but the Foreign Minister of Sweden was pretty unconcerned

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    They have killed many European citizens, from journalists to aid workers, and none of the EU countries have even reduced their amount of support for Israel let alone condemned them on it. Why would they care now?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    States doing piracy to each other without war was a staple of the golden age of piracy. It was called privateering.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right, modern day international law would define that as an act of war.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Clearly not

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    It clearly is.

    Just because a nation commits an act of war against you doesn't mean that you have to declare war and attack. All it means is you have a justifiable cause to retaliate under international law

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  • [–] [S] 90 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    @Chrusher seriously what the Fuck is wrong with you people?

    She was trying to take food and medicine to Gaza and show the world that Israel is blocking aid not just by land but also the sea.

    I'm s o sick of assholes like you ignoring the value of activism to draw attention to an ongoing genocide that the media and politicians trying to hide from the public.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He is the type of propagandist who think is smart by trying to act neutral

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    @rumimevlevi exactly. There are so many of them on lemmy

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It isn't a Lemmy problem, I assure you. It's a general population problem.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    It's more that these suspiciously trollish accounts have realized that the outright denial of genocide doesn't work as well here as it does on reddit/instagram/Twitter, so they almost exclusively resort to concern trolling here.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Honestly Lemmy isn't that bad in this regard.

    Go on any popular subreddit and that line of thinking is literally one of the more benign opinions about this whole thing. /r/worldnews ate up the Israeli claim that most of the aid were consumed by the activists, even though they have not even stated the amount of aid they confiscated or provided any other evidence other than their worthless words.

    It's funny how the mainstream subreddits were all about Greta's "how dare you" message in the face of the Republicans' hate for her. Well now they're the ones saying horrible things about her and see no problem with it. Especially when the main criticism last time was "well what are you doing about it other than talking?" This time she is trying to do something about what she believes in and we can't have that.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    @HiddenLayer555 I left reddit years ago, I had an account with over a million "credit" and got into argument with some people on various "Iranian" groups pretending to be Iranians, but found out that most of them were fake accounts of one of the super mods of the site using the same IP. got a lifetime ban when I exposed him (his location was in Tel Aviv).

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry, but I think you're overreacting to their comment. I don't see them being willfully ignorant as you believe.

    To answer you question OP, yes these volunteers knew the risks. They did it anyway. As most or all of them are from EU countries, the EU is feeling more and more pressure to stop supporting Isn'treal.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is no overreaction. "What did they expect to happen" implies Israel has some kind of right to do this.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Maybe it's cuz I'm not a native speaker, but I don't see it as an implication that Israel has the right to do that. More that it's a foregone conclusion that they're GOING to do that because they're horrible.

    If anything, I read it as someone who agrees that Israel fucking sucks, but misses the point of the message itself, which can happen from time to time.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago*

    Of course it is a foregone conclusion for us sane people in the know. But the reason these people had to do it is because Zionists kept spamming how activists should just go to Gaza and bring them food themselves.

    By proving that this is impossible, Zionists can no longer use the excuse and instead have to change their argument to "Israel's right to starve Palestinians"

    Greta called their bluff and forced their hand. And she risked her life to do so as Israel has killed activists doing this in the past.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    which can happen from time to time.

    In those cases someone will likely respond or edit the comment to show they didn't mean it in a bad way or something. Staying silent after making a point is more on point for someone who knew exactly what their comment will cause. You might be right, but I am not putting my money on that in this case.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good point, actually

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In real life i try to give people the benefit of the doubt, try to stand up for the underdog, give people second chances etc but in my life i've come to see that, unlike in real life, there are actors who want to come across like regular people but are not really a regular guy with just another opinion. I have no clue about this user in particular, but i tend to be extra sceptical when it's about a controversial topic - especially if a country, community or company involved who has in other cases hired people to influence opinions via social media. Isreal is one of those, so something like them never responding is more sus than when it's some unimportant topic. Still think it's good to be a positive person, but you might lend someone a hand you wouldn't if you knew their true intention (though again, i dont know what this guys intention is).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I totally get it. Thanks for offering your perspective :)

    I appreciate it a lot. I hate that Israel is considered "controversial" instead of unanimously awful, but that's a conversation for another day.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Braindead comment. Literally this is what they expected. Either they get media publicity showing how Israel is transgressing and commiting crimes on international water or they get to Gaza and can help people there. Even if they didnt bring a cruiser cargo of supplies they can still actively help the situation there.

    They risk their lives fully aware of what the outcomes are and you are incapable of even thinking a singular action ahead - baffling.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago

    They knew with almost 100% certainty that they would be captured. The aid supplies were just enough to justify going to Gaza. If by chance they got through, so be it, some people got help. This is getting international attention and will hopefully ramp up the pressure for the home countries of these people to actually do something.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    approximately this

    This is how satyagraha activism is supposed to go: they've made the bad guys incriminate themselves and put themselves in a bad position legally and in public perception.

    Do you think they should have chickened out because of the possibility of arrest?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honestly that would probably have been the smartest move for Israel. Let a token / useless amount of aid get through so they can say “see we’re allowing aid!”, but not enough to matter.

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