▲ 244 ▼ Man accused of raping, waterboarding girlfriend in her university dorm room for days until she escaped (www.cbsnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by ZeroCool@feddit.ch to c/news@lemmy.world 81 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) Both. Both is an option because you can't train the monster out of some people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works -29 points 2 years ago (6 children) No. Girls/women should not be held accountable for what boys/men do. Teach your sons better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Account5600@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Yeah and we shouldn't wear seatbelts because we shouldn't be held accountable for what some other drunken idiot does on the road Yeah, maybe you're right, but you need to accept the reality that you can't control the actions of others and that you should still take precautionary measures to protect yourself permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Why are we pretending that this is just an inherent quality that needs to be taught out rather than a serious deviation from the norm? "Teach people not to murder" yeah, uh, we do, and unreasonable people still murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MrLuemasG@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Also if your only solution is "everybody SHOULD do X", you've already failed. Reality is that we are so far away from everybody doing the "right" thing that refusing to take any basic precautions is just setting somebody up to get hurt. It's like telling people they don't need to bring bear spray on hikes in a bear infested wood because the bears shouldn't try to hurt you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's disingenuous to compare a wild animal without reasoning ability with a male human. If you have the impulse control of a bear, there is something medically wrong with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I am pretty sure there are people with the impulse control of a bear. These are probably not the same people discussing these matters over Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago Yes, and there are plenty of people out there with things medically wrong with them which will cause them to act out violently. It's only wise to prepare for a potential run-in with one of these people. Whether they "should" act out against you or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago Because it IS enough men who participate in these behaviors to qualify as more than an aberration. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unreasonable murderers are not the norm tho. Men thinking they can control women is far more common, and the cure for that is parents teaching their kids that shit won't be tolerated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Drigo@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, but I don't trust other parents to actually teach their sons that. So I will still have to teach my daughters to defend themselves against those kind of people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Lol. Yeah. I was more comparing murder to rape. I don't know where you live, but where I live, men raping women is not normalized. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago Reading comprehension, try and find some. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* I agree with the sentiment, some people won't be raising their sons right. And, while we need to push those people, we also need to be real about the world we live in otherwise girls and women are going to get hurt. There are bad people. telling them to be better won't make them be better, won't make them go away, and won't make you safe from them. Its about as useful as thoughts and prayers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago Preparing your kids for the dangers of the world is not "holding them accountable." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crazypartypony@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Some people have mental health issues of various forms, learning disabilities, traumatic brain injury.... there are lots of other reasons you should still be able to defend yourself. The training from other parents doesn't negate the threat. Don't advocate for being helpless. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works -29 points 2 years ago (6 children) No. Girls/women should not be held accountable for what boys/men do. Teach your sons better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Account5600@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Yeah and we shouldn't wear seatbelts because we shouldn't be held accountable for what some other drunken idiot does on the road Yeah, maybe you're right, but you need to accept the reality that you can't control the actions of others and that you should still take precautionary measures to protect yourself permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Why are we pretending that this is just an inherent quality that needs to be taught out rather than a serious deviation from the norm? "Teach people not to murder" yeah, uh, we do, and unreasonable people still murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MrLuemasG@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Also if your only solution is "everybody SHOULD do X", you've already failed. Reality is that we are so far away from everybody doing the "right" thing that refusing to take any basic precautions is just setting somebody up to get hurt. It's like telling people they don't need to bring bear spray on hikes in a bear infested wood because the bears shouldn't try to hurt you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's disingenuous to compare a wild animal without reasoning ability with a male human. If you have the impulse control of a bear, there is something medically wrong with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I am pretty sure there are people with the impulse control of a bear. These are probably not the same people discussing these matters over Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago Yes, and there are plenty of people out there with things medically wrong with them which will cause them to act out violently. It's only wise to prepare for a potential run-in with one of these people. Whether they "should" act out against you or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago Because it IS enough men who participate in these behaviors to qualify as more than an aberration. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unreasonable murderers are not the norm tho. Men thinking they can control women is far more common, and the cure for that is parents teaching their kids that shit won't be tolerated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Drigo@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, but I don't trust other parents to actually teach their sons that. So I will still have to teach my daughters to defend themselves against those kind of people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Lol. Yeah. I was more comparing murder to rape. I don't know where you live, but where I live, men raping women is not normalized. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago Reading comprehension, try and find some. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* I agree with the sentiment, some people won't be raising their sons right. And, while we need to push those people, we also need to be real about the world we live in otherwise girls and women are going to get hurt. There are bad people. telling them to be better won't make them be better, won't make them go away, and won't make you safe from them. Its about as useful as thoughts and prayers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago Preparing your kids for the dangers of the world is not "holding them accountable." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crazypartypony@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Some people have mental health issues of various forms, learning disabilities, traumatic brain injury.... there are lots of other reasons you should still be able to defend yourself. The training from other parents doesn't negate the threat. Don't advocate for being helpless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Account5600@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago Yeah and we shouldn't wear seatbelts because we shouldn't be held accountable for what some other drunken idiot does on the road Yeah, maybe you're right, but you need to accept the reality that you can't control the actions of others and that you should still take precautionary measures to protect yourself permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago (3 children) Why are we pretending that this is just an inherent quality that needs to be taught out rather than a serious deviation from the norm? "Teach people not to murder" yeah, uh, we do, and unreasonable people still murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MrLuemasG@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Also if your only solution is "everybody SHOULD do X", you've already failed. Reality is that we are so far away from everybody doing the "right" thing that refusing to take any basic precautions is just setting somebody up to get hurt. It's like telling people they don't need to bring bear spray on hikes in a bear infested wood because the bears shouldn't try to hurt you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's disingenuous to compare a wild animal without reasoning ability with a male human. If you have the impulse control of a bear, there is something medically wrong with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I am pretty sure there are people with the impulse control of a bear. These are probably not the same people discussing these matters over Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago Yes, and there are plenty of people out there with things medically wrong with them which will cause them to act out violently. It's only wise to prepare for a potential run-in with one of these people. Whether they "should" act out against you or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago Because it IS enough men who participate in these behaviors to qualify as more than an aberration. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unreasonable murderers are not the norm tho. Men thinking they can control women is far more common, and the cure for that is parents teaching their kids that shit won't be tolerated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Drigo@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, but I don't trust other parents to actually teach their sons that. So I will still have to teach my daughters to defend themselves against those kind of people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Lol. Yeah. I was more comparing murder to rape. I don't know where you live, but where I live, men raping women is not normalized. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrLuemasG@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Also if your only solution is "everybody SHOULD do X", you've already failed. Reality is that we are so far away from everybody doing the "right" thing that refusing to take any basic precautions is just setting somebody up to get hurt. It's like telling people they don't need to bring bear spray on hikes in a bear infested wood because the bears shouldn't try to hurt you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's disingenuous to compare a wild animal without reasoning ability with a male human. If you have the impulse control of a bear, there is something medically wrong with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I am pretty sure there are people with the impulse control of a bear. These are probably not the same people discussing these matters over Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago Yes, and there are plenty of people out there with things medically wrong with them which will cause them to act out violently. It's only wise to prepare for a potential run-in with one of these people. Whether they "should" act out against you or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) It's disingenuous to compare a wild animal without reasoning ability with a male human. If you have the impulse control of a bear, there is something medically wrong with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I am pretty sure there are people with the impulse control of a bear. These are probably not the same people discussing these matters over Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago Yes, and there are plenty of people out there with things medically wrong with them which will cause them to act out violently. It's only wise to prepare for a potential run-in with one of these people. Whether they "should" act out against you or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I am pretty sure there are people with the impulse control of a bear. These are probably not the same people discussing these matters over Internet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago Yes, and there are plenty of people out there with things medically wrong with them which will cause them to act out violently. It's only wise to prepare for a potential run-in with one of these people. Whether they "should" act out against you or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago Because it IS enough men who participate in these behaviors to qualify as more than an aberration. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Unreasonable murderers are not the norm tho. Men thinking they can control women is far more common, and the cure for that is parents teaching their kids that shit won't be tolerated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Drigo@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, but I don't trust other parents to actually teach their sons that. So I will still have to teach my daughters to defend themselves against those kind of people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Lol. Yeah. I was more comparing murder to rape. I don't know where you live, but where I live, men raping women is not normalized. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Drigo@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, but I don't trust other parents to actually teach their sons that. So I will still have to teach my daughters to defend themselves against those kind of people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Lol. Yeah. I was more comparing murder to rape. I don't know where you live, but where I live, men raping women is not normalized. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago Reading comprehension, try and find some. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinnFooted@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* I agree with the sentiment, some people won't be raising their sons right. And, while we need to push those people, we also need to be real about the world we live in otherwise girls and women are going to get hurt. There are bad people. telling them to be better won't make them be better, won't make them go away, and won't make you safe from them. Its about as useful as thoughts and prayers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago Preparing your kids for the dangers of the world is not "holding them accountable." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Crazypartypony@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Some people have mental health issues of various forms, learning disabilities, traumatic brain injury.... there are lots of other reasons you should still be able to defend yourself. The training from other parents doesn't negate the threat. Don't advocate for being helpless. permalink fedilink source parent