▲ 469 ▼ Apple iPhone 15 relegated to USB 2.0 unless you buy the Pro (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 2 years ago* by casualhippo@sh.itjust.works to c/technology@lemmy.world 210 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 years ago (5 children) This is why companies like Apple are malicious. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Soulyezer@lemmy.world 92 points 2 years ago (2 children) Or because the base iPhone 15 uses last year’s Pro chip which didn’t have a USB3 controller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago A Raspberry Pi from years ago has USB 3.1. Restricting the latest iPhone is just laughable. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GrayBoltWolf@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Soulyezer@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And probably have a separate controller? I’m not very technical at all but I’d assume it’s much easier to fit a separate one on a large surface like the iPad has Edit: google confirms the iPads have a separate USB3 controller permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jacobp100@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago I had a very quick check and I think iPads use an external chip for USB 3 - and there may just not have been space on the iPhone’s logic board for that. I think you’d have to judge it next year - since the base models seem to be using last year’s pro chips - if the base model doesn’t support 3.1 speeds then, something fishy is happening permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago Apple does a lot of BS stuff, but are you trying to claim the controller in iPads and iPhones is the same, or comparable because of age? Because that’s like claiming the screens are the same, or comparable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago There is no A16 iPad (yet?). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 33 points 2 years ago More like standard capitalism. The usb c connectors are not slower then the lightning connectors so its not like they made it worse. They simply refused to make it better. A bit like Nvidia continuing to maken better gpu chips but refusing to have them release with a more VRAM. If course in a way, all for profit-companies are malicious. Extracting surplus value from workers and such. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) So - in your opinion - any company shipping a USB 2 device is 'malicious'? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -18 points 2 years ago (2 children) Apple was forced by the EU to stop using their old and worse connector So they're complying, but they're purposefully limiting the less expensive phone as a malicious compliance to that Pretty simple really permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) So lightning cables offer transfer rates of 480Mb/s - USB 2.0 offers 625Mb/s. You are cross that they swapped out Lightning for USB on the main models and use USB 3 as a differentiator in the Pro models. Fair enough, but that's not 'malicious'. It's not even malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SteveTech@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago USB 2.0 is also 480Mbps. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Lightning connectors are definitely worse than USB-C, but when they were introduced the alternative was micro USB which is objectively worse than Lightning cables. Of course, with wireless charging I haven't used an actual cable in five years so it doesn't matter that much to me. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirk@lemmy.ml -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) You obviously don't get the point. Educate yourself on Apple and USB-C, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] June@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You mean the Apple that provided more than 20% of the engineering force that developed USBC? Or the Apple that released the first USBC laptop to market? That Apple? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dirk@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago Or the apple that fought against USB-C for their phones since basically forever and now implemented it with USB 2? Yes, this one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It doesn't sound like you actually have a rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Apple's base model hardware usually uses last year's pro chipsets. They've been doing this for a bit now. If the trend continues, next year the base model will get all the newer CPUs, micro controllers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] evanuggetpi@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 years ago Here's the rational answer, folks. Anything else is your emotional response. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lorez@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* If the aim of a company is to maximize profits then every company in Apple's stead would do the same thing. Not defending it but that's the world we created. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soulyezer@lemmy.world 92 points 2 years ago (2 children) Or because the base iPhone 15 uses last year’s Pro chip which didn’t have a USB3 controller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago A Raspberry Pi from years ago has USB 3.1. Restricting the latest iPhone is just laughable. permalink fedilink source parent [+] GrayBoltWolf@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Soulyezer@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And probably have a separate controller? I’m not very technical at all but I’d assume it’s much easier to fit a separate one on a large surface like the iPad has Edit: google confirms the iPads have a separate USB3 controller permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jacobp100@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago I had a very quick check and I think iPads use an external chip for USB 3 - and there may just not have been space on the iPhone’s logic board for that. I think you’d have to judge it next year - since the base models seem to be using last year’s pro chips - if the base model doesn’t support 3.1 speeds then, something fishy is happening permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago Apple does a lot of BS stuff, but are you trying to claim the controller in iPads and iPhones is the same, or comparable because of age? Because that’s like claiming the screens are the same, or comparable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago There is no A16 iPad (yet?). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago A Raspberry Pi from years ago has USB 3.1. Restricting the latest iPhone is just laughable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GrayBoltWolf@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Soulyezer@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And probably have a separate controller? I’m not very technical at all but I’d assume it’s much easier to fit a separate one on a large surface like the iPad has Edit: google confirms the iPads have a separate USB3 controller permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jacobp100@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago I had a very quick check and I think iPads use an external chip for USB 3 - and there may just not have been space on the iPhone’s logic board for that. I think you’d have to judge it next year - since the base models seem to be using last year’s pro chips - if the base model doesn’t support 3.1 speeds then, something fishy is happening permalink fedilink source parent [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago Apple does a lot of BS stuff, but are you trying to claim the controller in iPads and iPhones is the same, or comparable because of age? Because that’s like claiming the screens are the same, or comparable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago There is no A16 iPad (yet?). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soulyezer@lemmy.world 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And probably have a separate controller? I’m not very technical at all but I’d assume it’s much easier to fit a separate one on a large surface like the iPad has Edit: google confirms the iPads have a separate USB3 controller permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jacobp100@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago I had a very quick check and I think iPads use an external chip for USB 3 - and there may just not have been space on the iPhone’s logic board for that. I think you’d have to judge it next year - since the base models seem to be using last year’s pro chips - if the base model doesn’t support 3.1 speeds then, something fishy is happening permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago Apple does a lot of BS stuff, but are you trying to claim the controller in iPads and iPhones is the same, or comparable because of age? Because that’s like claiming the screens are the same, or comparable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago There is no A16 iPad (yet?). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 33 points 2 years ago More like standard capitalism. The usb c connectors are not slower then the lightning connectors so its not like they made it worse. They simply refused to make it better. A bit like Nvidia continuing to maken better gpu chips but refusing to have them release with a more VRAM. If course in a way, all for profit-companies are malicious. Extracting surplus value from workers and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) So - in your opinion - any company shipping a USB 2 device is 'malicious'? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -18 points 2 years ago (2 children) Apple was forced by the EU to stop using their old and worse connector So they're complying, but they're purposefully limiting the less expensive phone as a malicious compliance to that Pretty simple really permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) So lightning cables offer transfer rates of 480Mb/s - USB 2.0 offers 625Mb/s. You are cross that they swapped out Lightning for USB on the main models and use USB 3 as a differentiator in the Pro models. Fair enough, but that's not 'malicious'. It's not even malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SteveTech@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago USB 2.0 is also 480Mbps. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Lightning connectors are definitely worse than USB-C, but when they were introduced the alternative was micro USB which is objectively worse than Lightning cables. Of course, with wireless charging I haven't used an actual cable in five years so it doesn't matter that much to me. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirk@lemmy.ml -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) You obviously don't get the point. Educate yourself on Apple and USB-C, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] June@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You mean the Apple that provided more than 20% of the engineering force that developed USBC? Or the Apple that released the first USBC laptop to market? That Apple? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dirk@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago Or the apple that fought against USB-C for their phones since basically forever and now implemented it with USB 2? Yes, this one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It doesn't sound like you actually have a rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -18 points 2 years ago (2 children) Apple was forced by the EU to stop using their old and worse connector So they're complying, but they're purposefully limiting the less expensive phone as a malicious compliance to that Pretty simple really permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) So lightning cables offer transfer rates of 480Mb/s - USB 2.0 offers 625Mb/s. You are cross that they swapped out Lightning for USB on the main models and use USB 3 as a differentiator in the Pro models. Fair enough, but that's not 'malicious'. It's not even malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SteveTech@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago USB 2.0 is also 480Mbps. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Lightning connectors are definitely worse than USB-C, but when they were introduced the alternative was micro USB which is objectively worse than Lightning cables. Of course, with wireless charging I haven't used an actual cable in five years so it doesn't matter that much to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) So lightning cables offer transfer rates of 480Mb/s - USB 2.0 offers 625Mb/s. You are cross that they swapped out Lightning for USB on the main models and use USB 3 as a differentiator in the Pro models. Fair enough, but that's not 'malicious'. It's not even malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SteveTech@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago USB 2.0 is also 480Mbps. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SteveTech@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago USB 2.0 is also 480Mbps. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago Lightning connectors are definitely worse than USB-C, but when they were introduced the alternative was micro USB which is objectively worse than Lightning cables. Of course, with wireless charging I haven't used an actual cable in five years so it doesn't matter that much to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Dirk@lemmy.ml -25 points 2 years ago (2 children) You obviously don't get the point. Educate yourself on Apple and USB-C, please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] June@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You mean the Apple that provided more than 20% of the engineering force that developed USBC? Or the Apple that released the first USBC laptop to market? That Apple? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dirk@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago Or the apple that fought against USB-C for their phones since basically forever and now implemented it with USB 2? Yes, this one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It doesn't sound like you actually have a rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] June@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You mean the Apple that provided more than 20% of the engineering force that developed USBC? Or the Apple that released the first USBC laptop to market? That Apple? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dirk@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago Or the apple that fought against USB-C for their phones since basically forever and now implemented it with USB 2? Yes, this one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago Or the apple that fought against USB-C for their phones since basically forever and now implemented it with USB 2? Yes, this one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It doesn't sound like you actually have a rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Apple's base model hardware usually uses last year's pro chipsets. They've been doing this for a bit now. If the trend continues, next year the base model will get all the newer CPUs, micro controllers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] evanuggetpi@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 years ago Here's the rational answer, folks. Anything else is your emotional response. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] evanuggetpi@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 years ago Here's the rational answer, folks. Anything else is your emotional response. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lorez@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* If the aim of a company is to maximize profits then every company in Apple's stead would do the same thing. Not defending it but that's the world we created. permalink fedilink source parent