▲ 100 ▼ After an Arizona man was shot, an AI video of him addresses his killer in court (www.npr.org) submitted 1 year ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 48 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] carrion0409@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) This. I don't see how it's any different from making an 'ai video' about a murder victim thanking his murderer for easing his pain, in order to 'make people feel better' after a rich perpretrator games the system and is acquitted via dubious means. It's blatant manipulation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] whostosay@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Wait but no, not like that, only the positive way I see it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bellingdog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Is it reaaaalllly immoral if the kids just freakin' love it though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) What makes it immoral? Nobody was hurt in any way, physically, emotionally, or financially. They disclosed the use of AI before showing the video. It even helped the perpetrator get a smaller sentence (IMO prison as a concept is inhumane, so less prison time is morally right). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those were not his words. They were someone else's words spoken by a very realistic puppet they made of him after he died. That's weird at best, and does not belong in a court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No doubt it's weird, but it was also a genuine attempt by a sister to speak for her beloved brother. I think it's beautiful and a perfect example of the importance of keeping an open mind, especially regarding things that make us uncomfortable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we agree on one point, weirdness. It’s still got no business in a courtroom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why not? It wasn't used to influence the trial in any way; it was just part of the victim impact statements after the verdict was rendered. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Because a judge allowing anyone to represent their views in court as though those views belong to someone else is a textbook "bad idea." It is a misrepresentation of the truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [+] carrion0409@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) "It just feels wrong" isn't a valid basis for morality. Lots of people say the idea of someone being gay just feels wrong. Lots of people say people being non-Muslim just feels wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago That must be a touchy point for someone of your username permalink fedilink source parent [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago Oh, I agree that it's creepy and something that could very easily be abused. But in this case, it seems to have been the right move. Whether the dead brother would have approved, we'll never know. But the living sister seemed to earnestly believe he would have, and that's enough for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) This. I don't see how it's any different from making an 'ai video' about a murder victim thanking his murderer for easing his pain, in order to 'make people feel better' after a rich perpretrator games the system and is acquitted via dubious means. It's blatant manipulation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] whostosay@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Wait but no, not like that, only the positive way I see it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Wait but no, not like that, only the positive way I see it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bellingdog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Is it reaaaalllly immoral if the kids just freakin' love it though? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (2 children) What makes it immoral? Nobody was hurt in any way, physically, emotionally, or financially. They disclosed the use of AI before showing the video. It even helped the perpetrator get a smaller sentence (IMO prison as a concept is inhumane, so less prison time is morally right). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those were not his words. They were someone else's words spoken by a very realistic puppet they made of him after he died. That's weird at best, and does not belong in a court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No doubt it's weird, but it was also a genuine attempt by a sister to speak for her beloved brother. I think it's beautiful and a perfect example of the importance of keeping an open mind, especially regarding things that make us uncomfortable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we agree on one point, weirdness. It’s still got no business in a courtroom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why not? It wasn't used to influence the trial in any way; it was just part of the victim impact statements after the verdict was rendered. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Because a judge allowing anyone to represent their views in court as though those views belong to someone else is a textbook "bad idea." It is a misrepresentation of the truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [+] carrion0409@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) "It just feels wrong" isn't a valid basis for morality. Lots of people say the idea of someone being gay just feels wrong. Lots of people say people being non-Muslim just feels wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago That must be a touchy point for someone of your username permalink fedilink source parent [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago Oh, I agree that it's creepy and something that could very easily be abused. But in this case, it seems to have been the right move. Whether the dead brother would have approved, we'll never know. But the living sister seemed to earnestly believe he would have, and that's enough for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Those were not his words. They were someone else's words spoken by a very realistic puppet they made of him after he died. That's weird at best, and does not belong in a court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No doubt it's weird, but it was also a genuine attempt by a sister to speak for her beloved brother. I think it's beautiful and a perfect example of the importance of keeping an open mind, especially regarding things that make us uncomfortable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we agree on one point, weirdness. It’s still got no business in a courtroom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why not? It wasn't used to influence the trial in any way; it was just part of the victim impact statements after the verdict was rendered. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Because a judge allowing anyone to represent their views in court as though those views belong to someone else is a textbook "bad idea." It is a misrepresentation of the truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) No doubt it's weird, but it was also a genuine attempt by a sister to speak for her beloved brother. I think it's beautiful and a perfect example of the importance of keeping an open mind, especially regarding things that make us uncomfortable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we agree on one point, weirdness. It’s still got no business in a courtroom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why not? It wasn't used to influence the trial in any way; it was just part of the victim impact statements after the verdict was rendered. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Because a judge allowing anyone to represent their views in court as though those views belong to someone else is a textbook "bad idea." It is a misrepresentation of the truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we agree on one point, weirdness. It’s still got no business in a courtroom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why not? It wasn't used to influence the trial in any way; it was just part of the victim impact statements after the verdict was rendered. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Because a judge allowing anyone to represent their views in court as though those views belong to someone else is a textbook "bad idea." It is a misrepresentation of the truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Why not? It wasn't used to influence the trial in any way; it was just part of the victim impact statements after the verdict was rendered. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Because a judge allowing anyone to represent their views in court as though those views belong to someone else is a textbook "bad idea." It is a misrepresentation of the truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Because a judge allowing anyone to represent their views in court as though those views belong to someone else is a textbook "bad idea." It is a misrepresentation of the truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So it would've been equally bad if instead of a video, she'd just read a statement she'd written in his voice? Something along the lines of: My brother isn't here to speak for himself, but if he was, he'd say blah blah blah permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Not at all, because it would have been her making claims about what she believes her brother would have said, and not a simulacrum of her brother speaking her words with his voice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) But that's what she did. She was upfront about the fact that it was an AI video reciting a script that she'd written. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You can say that all you want, but when your brain is presented with a video of a person, using that person's voice, you're going to take what's being said as being from that person in the video. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) True, many people would have that problem, which is why the context in which the video was shown was acceptable; it was after the verdict had been given. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Such a thing should not impact sentencing, either. The judge allowed it, the judge was swayed by it, it impacted sentencing. This is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] carrion0409@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Beacon@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) "It just feels wrong" isn't a valid basis for morality. Lots of people say the idea of someone being gay just feels wrong. Lots of people say people being non-Muslim just feels wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago That must be a touchy point for someone of your username permalink fedilink source parent [–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago Oh, I agree that it's creepy and something that could very easily be abused. But in this case, it seems to have been the right move. Whether the dead brother would have approved, we'll never know. But the living sister seemed to earnestly believe he would have, and that's enough for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Beacon@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) "It just feels wrong" isn't a valid basis for morality. Lots of people say the idea of someone being gay just feels wrong. Lots of people say people being non-Muslim just feels wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago That must be a touchy point for someone of your username permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago That must be a touchy point for someone of your username permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago Oh, I agree that it's creepy and something that could very easily be abused. But in this case, it seems to have been the right move. Whether the dead brother would have approved, we'll never know. But the living sister seemed to earnestly believe he would have, and that's enough for me. permalink fedilink source parent