▲ 403 ▼ Israel will not stop war until Palestinians displaced from Gaza and Syria partitioned, minister says (www.middleeasteye.net) submitted 1 year ago by Oofnik@kbin.earth to c/world@lemmy.world 148 comments fedilink hide all child comments Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich reiterates call for 'hundreds of thousands' of Palestinians to be forcibly displaced from Gaza
[+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago I'm Jewish and I don't get it either, every Jew I see falling for this fascist rhetoric horrifies and disgusts me permalink fedilink source parent [–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) Focus in, this the action of a handful of powerful and violent people, not the act of a whole nation with a subjugated past. The people enacting these atrocities are just as much monsters and the people who oppressed their ancestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) But the nation isn't stopping him. He's been voted in how many times. It isn't like the people have no blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I've seen plenty of anti-government protests from Israelis that do not approve permalink fedilink source parent [–] thescrivener@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago Sure, the decisions are made, the policies enacted, by those at the top — but there is no widespread repudiation of their actions by the citizenry at large, either. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand. you should really have a side by now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”. So you should really have a side by now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) How can you see this genocide unfolding, ethnic cleansing at a minimum of you're scared if using the G word, and still say "Well, I don't really want to take a side here" This kind of rhetoric enables these war crimes. You've outlined yourself what Israel is doing, and they're going to continue because the western governments aren't doing anything real about it. The least we can do as individuals is call them out on their bullshit and remind others around us that the genocide they're committing is entirely fucked up and unjustifiable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago did horrible things to their children (especially twins), No they only did that to gypsies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago This is about colonialism not religion permalink fedilink source parent [–] Monomate@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) My guess is that they believe leaving the Hamas alive is equivalent to allowing their territory be attacked again in the future. They want this war to be The Last One™ so thay don't have to further spend military resourses in the future doing the same thing again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago A yes, a final solution. Nazis love those, and most nazis were indeed zionists. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skydancer@pawb.social -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Hurt people hurt people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) So is this an argument for Hamas or Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skydancer@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago No. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Zionism predates the holocaus and modern fascism. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skydancer@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago* It isn't a defense at all. You said you didn't understand. Abused people (or peoples) becoming abusive in turn is a common process, and that phrase is commonly used in such a way that searching on it will reveal many studies of the process, and what has been tried (successfully and unsuccessfully) to short-circuit it. Understanding is not absolution, though. You can both see how the genocide of Jews led to fears, politics, and colonial interventions that contributed to Israel's genocide of Palestinians, and also condemn that genocide and those perpetrating it (which I absolutely do). But not understanding the motivations makes any problem easier to effectively resist or solve, as you can use that knowledge to determine where and how to apply pressure and create a lasting rather than a temporary change. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Auli@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) OMG they're just as horrible as the rest of humanity. Who would have thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agelord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Rest of humanity? Which other country successfully carried out a genocide recently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* I think y'all are reading too much into a knee-jerk comment from Auli... The point is that Jewish people, also being people, are unfortunately capable of just as much hate and devastation as any others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago I'm Jewish and I don't get it either, every Jew I see falling for this fascist rhetoric horrifies and disgusts me permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) Focus in, this the action of a handful of powerful and violent people, not the act of a whole nation with a subjugated past. The people enacting these atrocities are just as much monsters and the people who oppressed their ancestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) But the nation isn't stopping him. He's been voted in how many times. It isn't like the people have no blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I've seen plenty of anti-government protests from Israelis that do not approve permalink fedilink source parent [–] thescrivener@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago Sure, the decisions are made, the policies enacted, by those at the top — but there is no widespread repudiation of their actions by the citizenry at large, either. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) But the nation isn't stopping him. He's been voted in how many times. It isn't like the people have no blame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I've seen plenty of anti-government protests from Israelis that do not approve permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I've seen plenty of anti-government protests from Israelis that do not approve permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thescrivener@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago Sure, the decisions are made, the policies enacted, by those at the top — but there is no widespread repudiation of their actions by the citizenry at large, either. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand. you should really have a side by now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”. So you should really have a side by now. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”. So you should really have a side by now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”. So you should really have a side by now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) How can you see this genocide unfolding, ethnic cleansing at a minimum of you're scared if using the G word, and still say "Well, I don't really want to take a side here" This kind of rhetoric enables these war crimes. You've outlined yourself what Israel is doing, and they're going to continue because the western governments aren't doing anything real about it. The least we can do as individuals is call them out on their bullshit and remind others around us that the genocide they're committing is entirely fucked up and unjustifiable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago did horrible things to their children (especially twins), No they only did that to gypsies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago This is about colonialism not religion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Monomate@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) My guess is that they believe leaving the Hamas alive is equivalent to allowing their territory be attacked again in the future. They want this war to be The Last One™ so thay don't have to further spend military resourses in the future doing the same thing again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago A yes, a final solution. Nazis love those, and most nazis were indeed zionists. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago A yes, a final solution. Nazis love those, and most nazis were indeed zionists. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skydancer@pawb.social -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Hurt people hurt people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) So is this an argument for Hamas or Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skydancer@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago No. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Zionism predates the holocaus and modern fascism. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skydancer@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago* It isn't a defense at all. You said you didn't understand. Abused people (or peoples) becoming abusive in turn is a common process, and that phrase is commonly used in such a way that searching on it will reveal many studies of the process, and what has been tried (successfully and unsuccessfully) to short-circuit it. Understanding is not absolution, though. You can both see how the genocide of Jews led to fears, politics, and colonial interventions that contributed to Israel's genocide of Palestinians, and also condemn that genocide and those perpetrating it (which I absolutely do). But not understanding the motivations makes any problem easier to effectively resist or solve, as you can use that knowledge to determine where and how to apply pressure and create a lasting rather than a temporary change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) So is this an argument for Hamas or Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skydancer@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago Zionism predates the holocaus and modern fascism. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skydancer@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago* It isn't a defense at all. You said you didn't understand. Abused people (or peoples) becoming abusive in turn is a common process, and that phrase is commonly used in such a way that searching on it will reveal many studies of the process, and what has been tried (successfully and unsuccessfully) to short-circuit it. Understanding is not absolution, though. You can both see how the genocide of Jews led to fears, politics, and colonial interventions that contributed to Israel's genocide of Palestinians, and also condemn that genocide and those perpetrating it (which I absolutely do). But not understanding the motivations makes any problem easier to effectively resist or solve, as you can use that knowledge to determine where and how to apply pressure and create a lasting rather than a temporary change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago* It isn't a defense at all. You said you didn't understand. Abused people (or peoples) becoming abusive in turn is a common process, and that phrase is commonly used in such a way that searching on it will reveal many studies of the process, and what has been tried (successfully and unsuccessfully) to short-circuit it. Understanding is not absolution, though. You can both see how the genocide of Jews led to fears, politics, and colonial interventions that contributed to Israel's genocide of Palestinians, and also condemn that genocide and those perpetrating it (which I absolutely do). But not understanding the motivations makes any problem easier to effectively resist or solve, as you can use that knowledge to determine where and how to apply pressure and create a lasting rather than a temporary change. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Auli@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) OMG they're just as horrible as the rest of humanity. Who would have thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agelord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Rest of humanity? Which other country successfully carried out a genocide recently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* I think y'all are reading too much into a knee-jerk comment from Auli... The point is that Jewish people, also being people, are unfortunately capable of just as much hate and devastation as any others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agelord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Rest of humanity? Which other country successfully carried out a genocide recently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* I think y'all are reading too much into a knee-jerk comment from Auli... The point is that Jewish people, also being people, are unfortunately capable of just as much hate and devastation as any others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* I think y'all are reading too much into a knee-jerk comment from Auli... The point is that Jewish people, also being people, are unfortunately capable of just as much hate and devastation as any others. permalink fedilink source parent