▲ 233 ▼ OpenAI wants to buy Chrome and make it an “AI-first” experience (arstechnica.com) submitted 1 year ago by neme@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world 55 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 93 points 1 year ago (4 children) Sounds like the best thing that could happen to Firefox permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 46 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Unfortunately, Mozilla is investing a ton of money into AI, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) A desperate attempt of revenue diversification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] exu@feditown.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Some of their I initiatives are good, like the built-in local translation tool we now have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago* Mozilla will loose Google's deal money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivendi@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago Mozilla works mainly on LOCAL AI not this corporate trash like closedAI permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bazimon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look into Waterfox instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 child) Mozilla spinning off control of its development to an independent group the way they did with Thunderbird would be the best thing that could happen to Firefox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird : Operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird community. Chrome self-destructing because of stupidity like AI would only ever manage to be a close second, at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Has Mozilla indicated any openness to taking that approach with Firefox? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Firefox, the software mainly driven by Mozilla, which is heavily investing in AI and ads ventures? That Firefox? But, maybe "it will be different this time", I guess. permalink fedilink source parent [+] peterg75@discuss.online -13 points 1 year ago this! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 46 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Unfortunately, Mozilla is investing a ton of money into AI, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) A desperate attempt of revenue diversification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] exu@feditown.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Some of their I initiatives are good, like the built-in local translation tool we now have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago* Mozilla will loose Google's deal money. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivendi@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago Mozilla works mainly on LOCAL AI not this corporate trash like closedAI permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bazimon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look into Waterfox instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) A desperate attempt of revenue diversification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Considering how little they invest into their core product compared to all the other shit and how much money the top brass earns despite declining market share, I don't think they're hurting for money that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) They are investing a lot in their core product. Problem is that you can't really monatize it. You want Firefox to be paywalled? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ideally it would be financed by user donations. Probably not that realistic for a project like this, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent [–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, web browsers cost hundreds of millions per year to maintain, they're mind-bogglingly complicated and costly. I'd really hope the Linux Foundation would help contribute towards the budget, but LF is quite pro Chromium. I don't think end users can even come close to funding Firefox development, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago You can't finance a massive project like that with donations. This isn't like Signal or some small project like that. Firefox is MASSIVE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exu@feditown.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Some of their I initiatives are good, like the built-in local translation tool we now have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago Also their initiative to recognise images and generate alt-text for screen-reader users. My sister is blind and screen readers are close to useless on the web, so it was great to hear Mozilla is working on that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago* Mozilla will loose Google's deal money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vivendi@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago Mozilla works mainly on LOCAL AI not this corporate trash like closedAI permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bazimon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Look into Waterfox instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago That really doesn't solve the problem, like every other Firefox fork they're completely dependent on Firefox. You can't just make a new webbrowser just like that, and while third party developers can certainly disable some anti-features, there are limits to that and they can definitely not do the basic work that the Firefox devs do (or could do, if Mozilla had different priorities). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 child) Mozilla spinning off control of its development to an independent group the way they did with Thunderbird would be the best thing that could happen to Firefox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird : Operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird community. Chrome self-destructing because of stupidity like AI would only ever manage to be a close second, at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Has Mozilla indicated any openness to taking that approach with Firefox? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago Has Mozilla indicated any openness to taking that approach with Firefox? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Firefox, the software mainly driven by Mozilla, which is heavily investing in AI and ads ventures? That Firefox? But, maybe "it will be different this time", I guess. permalink fedilink source parent