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Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago* by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Original post: https://bsky.app/profile/ssg.dev/post/3lmuz3nr62k26

Email from Bluesky in the screenshot:

Hi there,

We are writing to inform you that we have received a formal request from a legal authority in Turkey regarding the removal of your account associated with the following handle (@carekavga.bsky.social) on Bluesky.

The legal authority has claimed that this content violates local laws in Turkey. As a result, we are required to review the request in accordance with local regulations and Bluesky's policies.

Following a thorough review, we have determined that the content in question violates local laws in Turkey, as outlined in the legal request. In compliance with these legal provisions, we have restricted access to your account for users.

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[–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I sort of feel like that's not really relevant. How would being decentralised make any difference, the government would just go after the server owners regardless of who they are. If the server owners didn't honour the takedown requests turkey would just ban the server IP and no one would be able to access.

Federation isn't a solution to every problem

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How would being decentralised make any difference

    You sign up on a server that isn't in Turkey and doesn't give a shit to respond to turkish demands.

    Now turkey can only control the servers that are within it's countries, and has to submit requests to ALL of them rather than just one. And even then can't remove you from the rest of the federation.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Right but my point is they would just submit the request to the host server. If the original is taken down then all the federated service will lose the comments as well.

    If the host server just straight up ignores turkey then they'll block all servers that host Mastodon and say mastered on is a rogue element. Better you just remove the offending comment

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Right but my point is they would just submit the request to the host server. If the original is taken down then all the federated service will lose the comments as well.

    Not how federation works. Let's take a lemmy post as an example. If a server is federated with another and a new post is made, all subscribed servers are notified and a copy of the item is sent in that notification. If the original is "taken down" the copies still exist on the other servers and any deletion event is in ALL of their modlogs. ANY instance can "undelete" or revert the removal, or just ignore the deletion request all together (or roll back the database, or any number of operations to revert a change). The items doesn't just go away. The "origin" doesn't have all that much power to force other listening servers to do anything.

    This also extends to comments. I run my own small instance with me and a few friends. My server never had serious downtime because it's just us. Our access to larger instances never "vanished" even as their sites went completely down. The local content is effectively cached regardless of the state of the origin server.

    If the host server just straight up ignores turkey then they’ll block all servers that host Mastodon

    Good luck with that... There's a lot of servers that can talk the same federation protocol. You're not going to get them all. Forget all the normal means of bypassing blocks... you have so many fediverse and threadiverse servers to attach to in order to access largely similar content.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    they'll block all servers that host Mastodon

    This will be a never-ending game of whack-a-mole.

    Like how China tries to block VPNs that get around their firewall. There's always another VPN that China hasn't blocked yet, and there'll always be another fediverse server that any other authoritarian regime hasn't blocked yet.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    lol how is capitulation the answer to authoritarianism but decentralization isn't? I feel like I'm missing something from your arguments because it just seems circular and all the while condemning the very infrastructure you're currently using on Lemmy (with obvious benefits) over centralized social-media.

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