▲ 817 ▼ Live updates: Trump announces sweeping tariffs (apnews.com) submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world 370 comments fedilink hide all child comments Among the reciprocal tariff levels Trump announced: China: 34% European Union: 20% South Korea: 25% India: 26% Vietnam: 46% Taiwan: 32% Japan: 24% Thailand: 36% Switzerland: 31% Indonesia: 32% Malaysia: 24% Cambodia: 49% United Kingdom: 10% Rest of the world: 10%
[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 109 points 1 year ago (4 children) Ironically crashing the economy is one of the best things you can do to slow down climate change permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Cocopanda@futurology.today 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] eran_morad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cocopanda@futurology.today 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] And009@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 1 year ago (4 children) Trump will be remembered as the most influential US President. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bzah@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) Imagine people in 2150 praising the visionary and benevolent president Trump who courageously lead our world to the only possible path in order to save the environment: "He fooled them all with his "drill baby drill" and they fell for it, they elected him. Of course some were suspicious that something was off, but he had a grand plan for nature to finally be restored..." I would love to read this fiction, because reality is quite sad at the moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 15 points 1 year ago Trump will be remembered as the spark that caused the old world order to blow up, causing a lot of changes in the way things are done. China becomes the manufacturer of clean energy and uses their new status as having the reserve currency to stamp out all fossil fuels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago Absolutely, just like Hitler was the most influential German leader ever permalink fedilink source parent [–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sort of like Sulla or Caesar, but without the talent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago More likely Nero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yopyop@feddit.nl 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Time's person of the year 2025 already sigh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bristingr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Nah, fuck that. Don't give recognition to that sack of shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wrong. The best things you can do are invest in green energy and energy storage projects, create polices that cap (and actually punish) carbon emissions, upgrade to more efficient infrastructure... All things that take money, a functional government and a functional economy. What we learned from COVID, is that crashing the economy does not really slow down climate change, it just hits the pause button for a little bit, and then it resumes at the same or greater speed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arakhis_@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* pause buttons is all its about. emissions wont stop after energy generation is zero-emission. it just will be slower by a chunk (like 60%ish) people will still breed cows/not turn vegan (up to 75% of total 20%ghg emissions) and mobility will also remain (lets just say by half without derailing too much - so half of total 20%ghg emissions) Also theres studies on how we are kinda jet lagging in resulted heating and on how recordings of right before pre-industrial era levels also could be different, lower in total and therefore more extreme heating affecting tipping points. so a pause like that would be great - because all we have left is time and smart people (although kinda marginalized nowadays and I dont really believe in the success of that in short term) we have crossed 1,5° and therefore are in tipping point cascade (which is irreversable) territory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] astutemural@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago Not wrong. But I will point out that this will funnel a lot more money to China, which has been investing much more heavily in greentech than the US has. So overall it could actually be a plus - for climate change at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* Just a silly joke of course. Gallows humor. In order to combat climate change you'd have to re-design how we live and work and our economic system and reset existing wealth inequalities, re-design and rebuild thousands of industrial processes, and change multiple systems that are in place. For example you'd at least have to: Ban advertising to reduce desire/demand for consumption Ban patents (at least in the current form) so industrial processes can be re-designed and rebuild without roadblocks Nationalize news and social media and turn them into a cooperative under the control of the workers there Invest into R&D for circular economy and development and regulation for long lasting appliances and goods that last decades with repair and maintenance Basically what we learned is that it's practically impossible for humanity as a global civilization to stop climate change. Most people can't even bear to think about the steps it would take. Of course, developing the technology for a sustainable circular economy for the basic needs (food, energy, education, building shelters, communication etc) is still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent [–] takeda@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago Sure, but he is just crashing Western economy as Russia is preparing to invade rest of Europe. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cocopanda@futurology.today 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] eran_morad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cocopanda@futurology.today 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] And009@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 1 year ago (4 children) Trump will be remembered as the most influential US President. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bzah@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) Imagine people in 2150 praising the visionary and benevolent president Trump who courageously lead our world to the only possible path in order to save the environment: "He fooled them all with his "drill baby drill" and they fell for it, they elected him. Of course some were suspicious that something was off, but he had a grand plan for nature to finally be restored..." I would love to read this fiction, because reality is quite sad at the moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 15 points 1 year ago Trump will be remembered as the spark that caused the old world order to blow up, causing a lot of changes in the way things are done. China becomes the manufacturer of clean energy and uses their new status as having the reserve currency to stamp out all fossil fuels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago Absolutely, just like Hitler was the most influential German leader ever permalink fedilink source parent [–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sort of like Sulla or Caesar, but without the talent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago More likely Nero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yopyop@feddit.nl 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Time's person of the year 2025 already sigh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bristingr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Nah, fuck that. Don't give recognition to that sack of shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bzah@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) Imagine people in 2150 praising the visionary and benevolent president Trump who courageously lead our world to the only possible path in order to save the environment: "He fooled them all with his "drill baby drill" and they fell for it, they elected him. Of course some were suspicious that something was off, but he had a grand plan for nature to finally be restored..." I would love to read this fiction, because reality is quite sad at the moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 15 points 1 year ago Trump will be remembered as the spark that caused the old world order to blow up, causing a lot of changes in the way things are done. China becomes the manufacturer of clean energy and uses their new status as having the reserve currency to stamp out all fossil fuels. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 15 points 1 year ago Trump will be remembered as the spark that caused the old world order to blow up, causing a lot of changes in the way things are done. China becomes the manufacturer of clean energy and uses their new status as having the reserve currency to stamp out all fossil fuels. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago Absolutely, just like Hitler was the most influential German leader ever permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sort of like Sulla or Caesar, but without the talent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago More likely Nero. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yopyop@feddit.nl 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Time's person of the year 2025 already sigh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bristingr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Nah, fuck that. Don't give recognition to that sack of shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bristingr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Nah, fuck that. Don't give recognition to that sack of shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Wrong. The best things you can do are invest in green energy and energy storage projects, create polices that cap (and actually punish) carbon emissions, upgrade to more efficient infrastructure... All things that take money, a functional government and a functional economy. What we learned from COVID, is that crashing the economy does not really slow down climate change, it just hits the pause button for a little bit, and then it resumes at the same or greater speed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] arakhis_@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* pause buttons is all its about. emissions wont stop after energy generation is zero-emission. it just will be slower by a chunk (like 60%ish) people will still breed cows/not turn vegan (up to 75% of total 20%ghg emissions) and mobility will also remain (lets just say by half without derailing too much - so half of total 20%ghg emissions) Also theres studies on how we are kinda jet lagging in resulted heating and on how recordings of right before pre-industrial era levels also could be different, lower in total and therefore more extreme heating affecting tipping points. so a pause like that would be great - because all we have left is time and smart people (although kinda marginalized nowadays and I dont really believe in the success of that in short term) we have crossed 1,5° and therefore are in tipping point cascade (which is irreversable) territory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] astutemural@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago Not wrong. But I will point out that this will funnel a lot more money to China, which has been investing much more heavily in greentech than the US has. So overall it could actually be a plus - for climate change at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* Just a silly joke of course. Gallows humor. In order to combat climate change you'd have to re-design how we live and work and our economic system and reset existing wealth inequalities, re-design and rebuild thousands of industrial processes, and change multiple systems that are in place. For example you'd at least have to: Ban advertising to reduce desire/demand for consumption Ban patents (at least in the current form) so industrial processes can be re-designed and rebuild without roadblocks Nationalize news and social media and turn them into a cooperative under the control of the workers there Invest into R&D for circular economy and development and regulation for long lasting appliances and goods that last decades with repair and maintenance Basically what we learned is that it's practically impossible for humanity as a global civilization to stop climate change. Most people can't even bear to think about the steps it would take. Of course, developing the technology for a sustainable circular economy for the basic needs (food, energy, education, building shelters, communication etc) is still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* pause buttons is all its about. emissions wont stop after energy generation is zero-emission. it just will be slower by a chunk (like 60%ish) people will still breed cows/not turn vegan (up to 75% of total 20%ghg emissions) and mobility will also remain (lets just say by half without derailing too much - so half of total 20%ghg emissions) Also theres studies on how we are kinda jet lagging in resulted heating and on how recordings of right before pre-industrial era levels also could be different, lower in total and therefore more extreme heating affecting tipping points. so a pause like that would be great - because all we have left is time and smart people (although kinda marginalized nowadays and I dont really believe in the success of that in short term) we have crossed 1,5° and therefore are in tipping point cascade (which is irreversable) territory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] astutemural@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago Not wrong. But I will point out that this will funnel a lot more money to China, which has been investing much more heavily in greentech than the US has. So overall it could actually be a plus - for climate change at least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* Just a silly joke of course. Gallows humor. In order to combat climate change you'd have to re-design how we live and work and our economic system and reset existing wealth inequalities, re-design and rebuild thousands of industrial processes, and change multiple systems that are in place. For example you'd at least have to: Ban advertising to reduce desire/demand for consumption Ban patents (at least in the current form) so industrial processes can be re-designed and rebuild without roadblocks Nationalize news and social media and turn them into a cooperative under the control of the workers there Invest into R&D for circular economy and development and regulation for long lasting appliances and goods that last decades with repair and maintenance Basically what we learned is that it's practically impossible for humanity as a global civilization to stop climate change. Most people can't even bear to think about the steps it would take. Of course, developing the technology for a sustainable circular economy for the basic needs (food, energy, education, building shelters, communication etc) is still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] takeda@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago Sure, but he is just crashing Western economy as Russia is preparing to invade rest of Europe. permalink fedilink source parent