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[–] bigpEE@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children) Why eliminate standardized testing? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because then education ends up being about the damn test instead of developing beings. The goal shouldn't be passing the test, it should be learning how to learn, plus a good base in general knowledge so that you can apply critical thinking and successfully integrate new knowledge and experiences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Would you say the same about other tests, like for driving, engineers, doctors, ...? Or is this issue unrelated to the concept of tests but instead how they are implemented or done? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Skill tests evaluate a person's knowledge of that skill. Standardized testing in theory evaluates a student's knowledge of the material tested, but in practice teachers often focus more on test-taking strategies in order to boost scores and secure funding. In theory these tests should incentivize learning the material, in practice they incentivize learning to take the test. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we should not remove the standardized testing but how the tests are done...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aviandelight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We can keep the standardized testing if they unlink the results from school funding. It's just another weapon that rich (white) people use to keep money from poor (minority) communities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Is that how it's done in the USA? Insane. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) "tests": Bulemic learning by heart of lecture material just to pass the damn exam and forget most of the stuff a bit later anyway. Practical relevance of tests: approximating zero. That's why a lot of "younger" companies don't even look that critically at grades anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world [S] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn’t promote knowledge, it’s gamed, and it’s used to further discriminate against schools that need funds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Problem of a poorly designed test and and poorly implemented standard. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You need to test but designing tests that test the thing you are looking for is EXTREMELY hard. This is also part of the alignment problem with AI. If we had this stuff nailed down it would be nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago AI was also what I was thinking about. The ways it can find to get rewards is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's been successfully demonized by teachers unions over the years. While there are limitations, with the medium, it's far from useless. It can't fully assess mastery of a subject, but it can determine basic and applied understanding of one. It's a very simple step to expand from student competency to teacher competency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] warbond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do teachers not like it, and how are unions part of that issue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (1 child) Because then education ends up being about the damn test instead of developing beings. The goal shouldn't be passing the test, it should be learning how to learn, plus a good base in general knowledge so that you can apply critical thinking and successfully integrate new knowledge and experiences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Would you say the same about other tests, like for driving, engineers, doctors, ...? Or is this issue unrelated to the concept of tests but instead how they are implemented or done? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Skill tests evaluate a person's knowledge of that skill. Standardized testing in theory evaluates a student's knowledge of the material tested, but in practice teachers often focus more on test-taking strategies in order to boost scores and secure funding. In theory these tests should incentivize learning the material, in practice they incentivize learning to take the test. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we should not remove the standardized testing but how the tests are done...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aviandelight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We can keep the standardized testing if they unlink the results from school funding. It's just another weapon that rich (white) people use to keep money from poor (minority) communities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Is that how it's done in the USA? Insane. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) "tests": Bulemic learning by heart of lecture material just to pass the damn exam and forget most of the stuff a bit later anyway. Practical relevance of tests: approximating zero. That's why a lot of "younger" companies don't even look that critically at grades anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children) Would you say the same about other tests, like for driving, engineers, doctors, ...? Or is this issue unrelated to the concept of tests but instead how they are implemented or done? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Skill tests evaluate a person's knowledge of that skill. Standardized testing in theory evaluates a student's knowledge of the material tested, but in practice teachers often focus more on test-taking strategies in order to boost scores and secure funding. In theory these tests should incentivize learning the material, in practice they incentivize learning to take the test. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we should not remove the standardized testing but how the tests are done...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aviandelight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We can keep the standardized testing if they unlink the results from school funding. It's just another weapon that rich (white) people use to keep money from poor (minority) communities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Is that how it's done in the USA? Insane. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) "tests": Bulemic learning by heart of lecture material just to pass the damn exam and forget most of the stuff a bit later anyway. Practical relevance of tests: approximating zero. That's why a lot of "younger" companies don't even look that critically at grades anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) Skill tests evaluate a person's knowledge of that skill. Standardized testing in theory evaluates a student's knowledge of the material tested, but in practice teachers often focus more on test-taking strategies in order to boost scores and secure funding. In theory these tests should incentivize learning the material, in practice they incentivize learning to take the test. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we should not remove the standardized testing but how the tests are done...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aviandelight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We can keep the standardized testing if they unlink the results from school funding. It's just another weapon that rich (white) people use to keep money from poor (minority) communities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Is that how it's done in the USA? Insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So we should not remove the standardized testing but how the tests are done...? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aviandelight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We can keep the standardized testing if they unlink the results from school funding. It's just another weapon that rich (white) people use to keep money from poor (minority) communities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Is that how it's done in the USA? Insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aviandelight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We can keep the standardized testing if they unlink the results from school funding. It's just another weapon that rich (white) people use to keep money from poor (minority) communities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Is that how it's done in the USA? Insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago Is that how it's done in the USA? Insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) "tests": Bulemic learning by heart of lecture material just to pass the damn exam and forget most of the stuff a bit later anyway. Practical relevance of tests: approximating zero. That's why a lot of "younger" companies don't even look that critically at grades anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world [S] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) It doesn’t promote knowledge, it’s gamed, and it’s used to further discriminate against schools that need funds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Problem of a poorly designed test and and poorly implemented standard. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You need to test but designing tests that test the thing you are looking for is EXTREMELY hard. This is also part of the alignment problem with AI. If we had this stuff nailed down it would be nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago AI was also what I was thinking about. The ways it can find to get rewards is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Problem of a poorly designed test and and poorly implemented standard. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You need to test but designing tests that test the thing you are looking for is EXTREMELY hard. This is also part of the alignment problem with AI. If we had this stuff nailed down it would be nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago AI was also what I was thinking about. The ways it can find to get rewards is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago AI was also what I was thinking about. The ways it can find to get rewards is crazy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's been successfully demonized by teachers unions over the years. While there are limitations, with the medium, it's far from useless. It can't fully assess mastery of a subject, but it can determine basic and applied understanding of one. It's a very simple step to expand from student competency to teacher competency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] warbond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do teachers not like it, and how are unions part of that issue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] warbond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Why do teachers not like it, and how are unions part of that issue? permalink fedilink source parent