▲ 2018 ▼ Musk's interference to protect Russia allowed Russian attacks on Ukrainian cities, and resulted in the deaths of civilians including children - Zelensky advisor. (sh.itjust.works) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works to c/news@lemmy.world 275 comments fedilink hide all child comments One of many articles: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/musk-stopped-ukraine-attack-russian-fleet-starlink-rcna104019
[–] SaltyLemon66@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (3 children) Why the fuck are they relying on starlink. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 34 points 2 years ago (1 child) They don't have a choice, everything else requires ground based infrastructure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Starlink technically requires ground based infrastructure but they don't need to be in Ukraine. The closest Starlink ground stations to Ukraine are in Turkey and Poland, according to this map. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hglman@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Yes, those sites bridge star link and the rest.of the internet, but that doesn't change the requirements for ind users so only have a tmall antenna. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago Ok, so I stand corrected. But still, it doesn't need antennae like with cellular internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] coffee@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago Because Russia blew up domestic infrastructure, so satellite based communication looked like a decent alternative. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) the question is why the fuck was a private company allowed to build and operate star link? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Because the DoD can have plausible deniability by not giving Ukraine access to the actual military satellite network. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anonono@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) what do you mean by allowed? as in if you are a private company you should not be allowed to have satellites? is that what you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* As in there's only so much air space and it's already crowded... It's needs regulated, letting any company throw whatever they want up there is fucking stupid. Name any point in human history when letting companies do whatever the fuck they want in an area hasn't fucked over the majority of people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) as in the only high bandwidth communications network capable of doing things like this. starlink is this little thing called a monopoly and that is what caused this situation... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out it's not very easy to just dump a ton of satellites and pop out a new network whenever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Seriously, the Starlink and Falcon 9 production is unlike anything else. Amazon and China will try to copy it, but it'll take them way more time and money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 34 points 2 years ago (1 child) They don't have a choice, everything else requires ground based infrastructure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Starlink technically requires ground based infrastructure but they don't need to be in Ukraine. The closest Starlink ground stations to Ukraine are in Turkey and Poland, according to this map. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hglman@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Yes, those sites bridge star link and the rest.of the internet, but that doesn't change the requirements for ind users so only have a tmall antenna. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago Ok, so I stand corrected. But still, it doesn't need antennae like with cellular internet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Starlink technically requires ground based infrastructure but they don't need to be in Ukraine. The closest Starlink ground stations to Ukraine are in Turkey and Poland, according to this map. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hglman@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Yes, those sites bridge star link and the rest.of the internet, but that doesn't change the requirements for ind users so only have a tmall antenna. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago Ok, so I stand corrected. But still, it doesn't need antennae like with cellular internet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Yes, those sites bridge star link and the rest.of the internet, but that doesn't change the requirements for ind users so only have a tmall antenna. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago Ok, so I stand corrected. But still, it doesn't need antennae like with cellular internet. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] coffee@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago Because Russia blew up domestic infrastructure, so satellite based communication looked like a decent alternative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) the question is why the fuck was a private company allowed to build and operate star link? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Because the DoD can have plausible deniability by not giving Ukraine access to the actual military satellite network. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anonono@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) what do you mean by allowed? as in if you are a private company you should not be allowed to have satellites? is that what you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* As in there's only so much air space and it's already crowded... It's needs regulated, letting any company throw whatever they want up there is fucking stupid. Name any point in human history when letting companies do whatever the fuck they want in an area hasn't fucked over the majority of people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) as in the only high bandwidth communications network capable of doing things like this. starlink is this little thing called a monopoly and that is what caused this situation... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out it's not very easy to just dump a ton of satellites and pop out a new network whenever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Seriously, the Starlink and Falcon 9 production is unlike anything else. Amazon and China will try to copy it, but it'll take them way more time and money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Because the DoD can have plausible deniability by not giving Ukraine access to the actual military satellite network. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anonono@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) what do you mean by allowed? as in if you are a private company you should not be allowed to have satellites? is that what you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* As in there's only so much air space and it's already crowded... It's needs regulated, letting any company throw whatever they want up there is fucking stupid. Name any point in human history when letting companies do whatever the fuck they want in an area hasn't fucked over the majority of people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) as in the only high bandwidth communications network capable of doing things like this. starlink is this little thing called a monopoly and that is what caused this situation... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out it's not very easy to just dump a ton of satellites and pop out a new network whenever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Seriously, the Starlink and Falcon 9 production is unlike anything else. Amazon and China will try to copy it, but it'll take them way more time and money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* As in there's only so much air space and it's already crowded... It's needs regulated, letting any company throw whatever they want up there is fucking stupid. Name any point in human history when letting companies do whatever the fuck they want in an area hasn't fucked over the majority of people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) as in the only high bandwidth communications network capable of doing things like this. starlink is this little thing called a monopoly and that is what caused this situation... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out it's not very easy to just dump a ton of satellites and pop out a new network whenever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Seriously, the Starlink and Falcon 9 production is unlike anything else. Amazon and China will try to copy it, but it'll take them way more time and money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Turns out it's not very easy to just dump a ton of satellites and pop out a new network whenever you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Seriously, the Starlink and Falcon 9 production is unlike anything else. Amazon and China will try to copy it, but it'll take them way more time and money. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Seriously, the Starlink and Falcon 9 production is unlike anything else. Amazon and China will try to copy it, but it'll take them way more time and money. permalink fedilink source parent
