▲ 227 ▼ Nintendo reportedly showed a demo of the ‘Switch 2’ console at Gamescom which included visuals comparable to the PS5 and Xbox Series X. (www.videogameschronicle.com) submitted 2 years ago by ShadowCat@lemmy.world to c/nintendo@lemmy.world 65 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 years ago (4 children) Compared to does not mean equal to... lol permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Taringano@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago Honestly the swtcih is so far off in performance that if the new switch performs like the ps4 it's already a win. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Exactly. Oranges are comparable to apples, doesn’t mean they share much in common permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) True, but it does suggest they are in the same league. Not saying it is, but able to be compared suggests that it may be as good in some aspects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patches@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I compared my wealth to Bill Gates and turns out he makes more money just existing for 1 minute than I will make in my entire life. But we are comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kattenluik@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago You are comparable, and what they said was not anywhere near over the top or outrageous. Your disbelief in a product existing and making a joke out of what otherwise would be a proper conversation is honestly very sad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] legion@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And even if some prototype device is, that doesn’t mean the production device will be, once things like heat and power usage have to really be accounted for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It doesn't even matter a lot if it does have really good graphics capability. Nvidia is good at that (though whether they'd price that where Nintendo wants is questionable). The question is what Nvidia can give in a CPU, because the only ARM CPU out there that's actually interesting in terms of efficient per core performance is Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) the only ARM CPU out there that's actually interesting in terms of efficient per core performance is Apple. No it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not a gaming capable chip. It is a server chip where the entire value proposition is the core count and connectivity. Nvidia doesn't make anything and hasn't shown any capability to make anything that isn't a massive liability for gaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's no such thing as a "gaming chip" when it comes to CPUs. Are you trying to tell me that you can't plug a GPU into the PCIe slot of an Ampere Altra? Do you honestly believe that a game compiled for ARM magically won't run on a server chip due to some kind of hardware block that detects games and says "nope, not gonna run that?" Also, Nvidia makes the processor in the Nintendo Switch, and I linked chips from two other manufacturers in my comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) There are performance traits you have to have to be even in the vicinity of functional for gaming, and they're the opposite of what you need for a server. Yes, I'm saying that if you put a gaming GPU into any of those chips, the performance would be fucking terrible. You need fast clocks and IPC with low latency, not lots of cores and high bandwidth. High "Performance per core" in terms of server parts does not mean that it can do anywhere close to the same work per core a consumer, gaming focused chip can do. The design parameters are completely different. The processor in the Switch chip is the reason the Switch has such a limited AAA library. It's not mediocre. It's not serviceable. It's fucking terrible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taringano@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago Honestly the swtcih is so far off in performance that if the new switch performs like the ps4 it's already a win. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Exactly. Oranges are comparable to apples, doesn’t mean they share much in common permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) True, but it does suggest they are in the same league. Not saying it is, but able to be compared suggests that it may be as good in some aspects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Patches@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I compared my wealth to Bill Gates and turns out he makes more money just existing for 1 minute than I will make in my entire life. But we are comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kattenluik@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago You are comparable, and what they said was not anywhere near over the top or outrageous. Your disbelief in a product existing and making a joke out of what otherwise would be a proper conversation is honestly very sad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I compared my wealth to Bill Gates and turns out he makes more money just existing for 1 minute than I will make in my entire life. But we are comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kattenluik@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago You are comparable, and what they said was not anywhere near over the top or outrageous. Your disbelief in a product existing and making a joke out of what otherwise would be a proper conversation is honestly very sad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kattenluik@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago You are comparable, and what they said was not anywhere near over the top or outrageous. Your disbelief in a product existing and making a joke out of what otherwise would be a proper conversation is honestly very sad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] legion@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And even if some prototype device is, that doesn’t mean the production device will be, once things like heat and power usage have to really be accounted for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It doesn't even matter a lot if it does have really good graphics capability. Nvidia is good at that (though whether they'd price that where Nintendo wants is questionable). The question is what Nvidia can give in a CPU, because the only ARM CPU out there that's actually interesting in terms of efficient per core performance is Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) the only ARM CPU out there that's actually interesting in terms of efficient per core performance is Apple. No it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not a gaming capable chip. It is a server chip where the entire value proposition is the core count and connectivity. Nvidia doesn't make anything and hasn't shown any capability to make anything that isn't a massive liability for gaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's no such thing as a "gaming chip" when it comes to CPUs. Are you trying to tell me that you can't plug a GPU into the PCIe slot of an Ampere Altra? Do you honestly believe that a game compiled for ARM magically won't run on a server chip due to some kind of hardware block that detects games and says "nope, not gonna run that?" Also, Nvidia makes the processor in the Nintendo Switch, and I linked chips from two other manufacturers in my comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) There are performance traits you have to have to be even in the vicinity of functional for gaming, and they're the opposite of what you need for a server. Yes, I'm saying that if you put a gaming GPU into any of those chips, the performance would be fucking terrible. You need fast clocks and IPC with low latency, not lots of cores and high bandwidth. High "Performance per core" in terms of server parts does not mean that it can do anywhere close to the same work per core a consumer, gaming focused chip can do. The design parameters are completely different. The processor in the Switch chip is the reason the Switch has such a limited AAA library. It's not mediocre. It's not serviceable. It's fucking terrible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It doesn't even matter a lot if it does have really good graphics capability. Nvidia is good at that (though whether they'd price that where Nintendo wants is questionable). The question is what Nvidia can give in a CPU, because the only ARM CPU out there that's actually interesting in terms of efficient per core performance is Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) the only ARM CPU out there that's actually interesting in terms of efficient per core performance is Apple. No it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not a gaming capable chip. It is a server chip where the entire value proposition is the core count and connectivity. Nvidia doesn't make anything and hasn't shown any capability to make anything that isn't a massive liability for gaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's no such thing as a "gaming chip" when it comes to CPUs. Are you trying to tell me that you can't plug a GPU into the PCIe slot of an Ampere Altra? Do you honestly believe that a game compiled for ARM magically won't run on a server chip due to some kind of hardware block that detects games and says "nope, not gonna run that?" Also, Nvidia makes the processor in the Nintendo Switch, and I linked chips from two other manufacturers in my comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) There are performance traits you have to have to be even in the vicinity of functional for gaming, and they're the opposite of what you need for a server. Yes, I'm saying that if you put a gaming GPU into any of those chips, the performance would be fucking terrible. You need fast clocks and IPC with low latency, not lots of cores and high bandwidth. High "Performance per core" in terms of server parts does not mean that it can do anywhere close to the same work per core a consumer, gaming focused chip can do. The design parameters are completely different. The processor in the Switch chip is the reason the Switch has such a limited AAA library. It's not mediocre. It's not serviceable. It's fucking terrible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) the only ARM CPU out there that's actually interesting in terms of efficient per core performance is Apple. No it's not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not a gaming capable chip. It is a server chip where the entire value proposition is the core count and connectivity. Nvidia doesn't make anything and hasn't shown any capability to make anything that isn't a massive liability for gaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's no such thing as a "gaming chip" when it comes to CPUs. Are you trying to tell me that you can't plug a GPU into the PCIe slot of an Ampere Altra? Do you honestly believe that a game compiled for ARM magically won't run on a server chip due to some kind of hardware block that detects games and says "nope, not gonna run that?" Also, Nvidia makes the processor in the Nintendo Switch, and I linked chips from two other manufacturers in my comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) There are performance traits you have to have to be even in the vicinity of functional for gaming, and they're the opposite of what you need for a server. Yes, I'm saying that if you put a gaming GPU into any of those chips, the performance would be fucking terrible. You need fast clocks and IPC with low latency, not lots of cores and high bandwidth. High "Performance per core" in terms of server parts does not mean that it can do anywhere close to the same work per core a consumer, gaming focused chip can do. The design parameters are completely different. The processor in the Switch chip is the reason the Switch has such a limited AAA library. It's not mediocre. It's not serviceable. It's fucking terrible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not a gaming capable chip. It is a server chip where the entire value proposition is the core count and connectivity. Nvidia doesn't make anything and hasn't shown any capability to make anything that isn't a massive liability for gaming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's no such thing as a "gaming chip" when it comes to CPUs. Are you trying to tell me that you can't plug a GPU into the PCIe slot of an Ampere Altra? Do you honestly believe that a game compiled for ARM magically won't run on a server chip due to some kind of hardware block that detects games and says "nope, not gonna run that?" Also, Nvidia makes the processor in the Nintendo Switch, and I linked chips from two other manufacturers in my comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) There are performance traits you have to have to be even in the vicinity of functional for gaming, and they're the opposite of what you need for a server. Yes, I'm saying that if you put a gaming GPU into any of those chips, the performance would be fucking terrible. You need fast clocks and IPC with low latency, not lots of cores and high bandwidth. High "Performance per core" in terms of server parts does not mean that it can do anywhere close to the same work per core a consumer, gaming focused chip can do. The design parameters are completely different. The processor in the Switch chip is the reason the Switch has such a limited AAA library. It's not mediocre. It's not serviceable. It's fucking terrible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's no such thing as a "gaming chip" when it comes to CPUs. Are you trying to tell me that you can't plug a GPU into the PCIe slot of an Ampere Altra? Do you honestly believe that a game compiled for ARM magically won't run on a server chip due to some kind of hardware block that detects games and says "nope, not gonna run that?" Also, Nvidia makes the processor in the Nintendo Switch, and I linked chips from two other manufacturers in my comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) There are performance traits you have to have to be even in the vicinity of functional for gaming, and they're the opposite of what you need for a server. Yes, I'm saying that if you put a gaming GPU into any of those chips, the performance would be fucking terrible. You need fast clocks and IPC with low latency, not lots of cores and high bandwidth. High "Performance per core" in terms of server parts does not mean that it can do anywhere close to the same work per core a consumer, gaming focused chip can do. The design parameters are completely different. The processor in the Switch chip is the reason the Switch has such a limited AAA library. It's not mediocre. It's not serviceable. It's fucking terrible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) There are performance traits you have to have to be even in the vicinity of functional for gaming, and they're the opposite of what you need for a server. Yes, I'm saying that if you put a gaming GPU into any of those chips, the performance would be fucking terrible. You need fast clocks and IPC with low latency, not lots of cores and high bandwidth. High "Performance per core" in terms of server parts does not mean that it can do anywhere close to the same work per core a consumer, gaming focused chip can do. The design parameters are completely different. The processor in the Switch chip is the reason the Switch has such a limited AAA library. It's not mediocre. It's not serviceable. It's fucking terrible. permalink fedilink source parent