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[–] 56 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

Browsers I tried yesterday (on Linux):

  • Zen: neat, but the UI is too different for my taste
  • Floorp: also neat, but features I don't use
  • Waterfox: sweet spot for me

Librewolf and Waterfox seem pretty similar on paper. I went with Waterfox cuz idk. So far, Waterfox seems to be a drop-in replacement. I haven't noticed any problems with websites and haven't run into any bugs.

One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.

Bonus: Waterfox is available on Android! 🥳

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Zen: is Firefox

    Floorp: is Firefox

    Waterfox: is Firefox

    Librewolf: is Firefox

    They are all dependent on Mozilla and its choices.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    There is some degree of independence. For example, if Mozilla releases some super evil patch tomorrow, I'm pretty sure everyone would just patch it out immediately. In fact, this is what most derivatives seem to do, patch out the ad/telemetry stuff.

    But yeah, these are all modified Firefox browsers. Hopefully, nobody was thinking these were unique, new, browsers.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is currently no comptetive engine that isn’t owned/developed by a big company. Ladybird is slowly getting there, but it’s gonna take a while. Until then gecko engine is OK for now. It’s all opensource so we know when that’s no longer the case.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    One note about Waterfox is that I would have liked if it was added to the official Arch Linux repos. I installed fine with the AUR, but still.

    Available on Flathub.

    I tend to go with Flathub before the AUR, if available. 👍

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I tend to go with Flathub before the AUR, if available.

    This is the correct way to Linux in 2025

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cool. Could you elaborate? Because I only do this because of some kind of gut feeling... 😅

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Flatpaks are containerized, making them both more reliable and more secure (in general... but it's always possible to fuck things up).

    Besides the benefits to users, there are also huge benefits to developers: they can publish a single package and support nearly every distro with it.

    It's often impossible for a dev to publish and maintain packages for all Linux distros out there, so stuff on AUR is built and packaged by well-meaning, but random people who are not the original developer. This very often leads to the app having bugs and compatibility issues which the developer ends up wasting time debugging and trying to fix even though it's not their fault. (although downstream packagers can fuck this up too by publishing their own unofficial Flatpaks, like Fedora's recent OBS shenanigans)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Oh yeah, the OBS thing. Yeah, I guess these are the reasons I've felt like Flatpaks are a bit more stable than AUR packages. They might take up more space or whatever, but it's nice to know they work like they're supposed to, especially commercial stuff like Spotify and Slack etc. I just wish Flatpak software integrated better with the rest of the system without extra configuration.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not for firefox, critical firefox security feature not available in flatpak: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1756236

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This is FUD. It definitely is not a "critical" security feature. Firefox flatpak can't currently do its own internal sandboxing of subprocesses via namespaces, but it does do seccomp bpf filtering. That's in addition to the standard sandboxing of flatpak itself, which is implemented using namespaces anyways.

    If you are extra paranoid, you can tweak the flatpak's permissions to harden the sandboxing via your distro's flatpak settings app.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I found waterfox on aurora store android and below this stores page it lists trackers found: Mozilla telemetry, Sentry. What is the point if it gives Mozilla the same data? Or is this not whst i think it is?

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