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Hexbear.net now at 710$ (Update: it’s now 2345$) (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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Update: it’s now US$1921.00

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[–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Yes, I know I can't interact with MeanwhileOnGrad on Lemmy.ml because it's blocked, and I can't on Hexbear because sh.itjust.works is blocked. I don't really care for those instances where stalkers post out of context screenshots in order to drum up hate against Communists, or where the admin peddles conspiracy theories about foreign nations pushing "transgender ideology" to radicalize youths against the US.

I tend to defend Hexbear because more often than not I see lies told about it from people who were correctly banned and lied about the reason for banning, or from anticommunists. I make it a point to study history and read Marx and Marxist theory, so when I see fabrications, I try to point them out.

For reference, I don't think many people would want to go along with whatever you want them to if you try to reveal information normally kept private. I don't really care about upvotes or downvotes, or who knows about them, but as a rule of thumb it isn't pleasant to have people try to "expose" you and force an apology, no matter what it is.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    @Cowbee
    I wasn't talking about opening it why your account. As i said, you don't need to interact with your account, you have a web browser.

    you are right to defend your opinion but on the other hand there is thing that you can't defend as those post i sent. So our vote quickly switched in defavour of hexbear. We were against defederation with hexbear firstly. And you didn't question that.

    Yes Lemmy dev designed vote of Lemmy that way. Any admin can see vote so they can check if there was any brigaging. I can't. There was a raiding and a massive amount of upvote, downvote, so that's when we check them up.

    There are melery hidden but visible anywhere on the fediverse. On mbin, you can see upvote. You can see them on iceshrimp. And if you mount your own server, you can see everything.

    Vote system has its pro and cons. In some case it allows us to block spam, push a good post. Other case it transform the whole thing as a stadium and escalate quickly.

    I'm against voting system because it encourage a social pressure. I would completly remove them as beehaw do.

    The idea of voting is promoting the most interesting/funny comment promote a mindset. And it doen't tell anything about its content.

    I prefer a tag system that tell us i'm talking about vegetable or scientific study. Then other tags as "good tips" "complete newpaper" "hilarous" "sad" "thank you !"

    Indeed, it's not alway pleasent seing ourselve in a mirror for anyone me included. That's when you decide what is the best action.

    Staying silent because you know it can be detrimentale, because you went there too. Because you know that he/she would deny. Because he/she will react badly and you need to protect yourself. Because it is not the right time and later they will ready.

    Or saying the truth. I exposed you because it was a very serious issue and I wanted you to question your values. I wanted you to change, otherwise i wouldn't write to you again.

    I'm pretty sure you didn't see that way, i'm a pest, aren't i ? 😊 It was my own way to help you a little and then hexbear.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I already explained why I don't care to visit MeanwhileOnGrad, it just serves as an outlet for the most obsessed anticommunists to witch-hunt and jeer using out of context screenshots, where the mods complain about "wokeness" and "DEI."

    To be clear, jlai.lu was upset at an out-of-context clipping and chose to hate on Algerians, when it's very clear that France is not clean of colonial attitudes. From Macron:

    “I think that they forgot to say ‘thank you’. It does not matter, it will come with time,” Mr Macron said, in a speech to French ambassadors on Jan 6.

    “We did the right thing,” he said of the military deployment, adding that “none” of the states of the Sahel region would be “sovereign” today without that intervention.

    This then turned to some jlai.lu users accusing Hexbear users of being fascists and using ableist terms like "MAGAt*rd" that some jlai.lu users walked back after being called out on it, but the damage was done and understandably Hexbear came back to answer such accusations.

    It's extremely condescending to think of yourself as some "helper." This attitude, plus the intention to shame users into apologizing for what you percieve as injustices, will always get in the way of you actually trying to talk to people and get them to see your way. It's chauvanism.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    @Cowbee
    Dunno where to start. Yes and the mod team blame the user for it. And then it excalated quickly. Our admin was fired up and played at your own game.

    You did exactly the same thing. Here is the post you agreed on :
    jlai.lu/pictrs/image/0285ede7-7d7e-4082-b8f2-df56bc748649.png?format=webp

    Well, the quote isn't enough. France is a complex polical landscape.

    Jlailu ≠ France.
    Jlailu ≠ Macron.

    There are also belgians and right now few Swiss joined us. Jlai.lu is a very very very very small part of r/france. The biggest french comnunities on the fedi are on Mastodon. Futhermore most french users don't use reddit, masto, lemmy but facebook, tiktok...we are a very very small part.

    Macron was elected on the second tour because it was the only option left to block the far right movement. Most of leftist had no choice to vote again Macron knowing well what he will do. We endure him. Futhermore white vote + abstention was around 28%.

    Yes, France is a colonial country. You can add Mayotte. Macron said racist thing. And Attal reported them as he is preparing 2027 election. Attal is not doing it out of interest.

    Bolloré has bought various media and slowly change France political landscape to the far right movement as Vladimir Poutine did. Here is a study from the CNRS, about the Kremlin in France, in english :
    hal-emse.ccsd.cnrs.fr/CURIE/hal-04629585v4

    The point you omit with your quote on Macron is : what was our reaction to Macron on jlai.lu ? On the fediverse ?

    it's a weird logic. Let's do as you wrote : imagine you live in America, then i quote Trump. Let's take a break.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My point is that jlai.lu took comments from victims of colonialism against France out of context, called them fascists, then whined about it. Meanwhile you are attempting to intimidate, again, despite being told that it's bad form. Nobody is going to agree with you if you continue to act in chauvanistic manners.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So, you don't find those comment intimidating since they "were taken out of context" whereas there are several one.

    No, mister. Those comment called for killing all french people, whatever are their side, and you support them. You don't see the problem since we are all colonialist.

    In fact, you help the far right movement, you are playing their game. They need you.

    For example, aside the post hexbear made on jlai.lu, the meme on Stalin will have an averse effect in France and push the most capitalistic, colionialist party during presidential election.

    Sadly, that's the exact strategy of our far right movement use to erase any leftist party in France. Today, Putin isn't helping any leftist movement in France, he funded the far right side, the most capitalist one. Not the NPA party for example.

    And, lastly i want to show ya an example of colonialist. This is a fascist newpaper : https://www.frontieresmedia.fr/

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    That's a nasty way of putting words in my mouth. The context of the comments was a response to this islamophobic French comic making fun of the suffering of Palestinians. Moreover, one the comments people got most upset at came from an Algerian user. The French aren't all pro-colonialism and I never implied as such, but France is one of the history's most brutal colonial Empires, and today is one of the most Imperialist.

    Essentially, rather than focusing on the hatred you should have for the artist making light of the genocide of Palestinians and directly mocking Islam, jlai.lu focused on the response to said comic from users, including Algerians. I personally would be more mad at Israel than Palestinians expressing hatred for Israel.

    As a USian, I would not be getting upset at an Indigenous American saying that USians "deserve a thousand Little Bighorns" in response to a USian mocking the Trail of Tears, much less ongoing genocide. Colonial violence begets its own response. You'd do well to read the works of Frantz Fanon if you haven't already.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, i won't put ya on the same side as all US citizens, you are also a victim. I'm also mad at Netayahu, Macron, Biden, Trump, Hamas...and i can't do anything to change that. We can't.

    Except doing strike, voting, creating video, writing in newpapers, sharing our thought in political group, inviting some people reading books, reading this newpapers, using free software...and slowly change their point of view. They are various way to take action.

    But not the way hexbear do.

    He didn't said the artist should be in prison for racism but "France deserve a thousand charlie hebdo". So we condemn both : the artist and the comment.

    I'm telling you the same thing as "US doesn't deserve thousand 9/11" You don't deserve it. How can you accept that ?

    Let's say you do a thousand charlie hebdo, what will change ? what result do you expect ? France will apologize and recognize their brutality, their wrong ? The opposite : more police, more army, brutal repression, cutting financial fund to poor and mainly migrant.

    And if you write several comment like this one ? Defederation. How many instances defederated from hexbear ? And there is any problem ? Are we just lib that doesn't understood hexbear ?

    Yes France is one of the most brutal colonial empire as United State. Truth.

    One the other hand, there is our history of democracy, IVG, social security , free currency, food social security

    Or several ngo organization as : Chatons.org, Transicoop, la commune du maquis...

    We do our best.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    If an Iraqi citizen said the US deserves a thousand 9/11s in response to a US citizen making a massively islamophobic comic making light of the United States pillaging and destroying Iraq for profit, I would not blame the one expressing anger, but the US for killing 1 million Iraqis and blaming Iraq for 9/11 on false pretenses. This fundamental refusal to blame the oppressed for anger at oppressors, and instead work to solve the far greater evil, is what taking an Internationalist stance looks like.

    You place equal blame on Netanyahu (not Israel, curiously, which has been genocidal since far before Netanyahu) as you do on Hamas, a national liberation movement. The measures you discuss, voting, canvassing, etc to "slowly" change the views of others is the privledge of someone not the victim of colonialism, Imperialism, or genocide. The measures you propose are certainly good, but when combined with condemnation of those resisting Imperialist oppression it takes on an Imperialist character, ie you fight for your own improvements and condemn liberation movements forced into violence by the very same system you and I benefit from.

    Again, you should read Frantz Fanon if you haven't.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Good book, I will read. Not a priviledge, our action are repressed by the police.

    Well for Hamas i have a very mixed opinion about it. Yes, they fight for palestinians freedom but things aren't simple.

    From what i read Hamas was funded by Netayahu to block palestinian's state creation. So, from what i understood, there were mutual benefit :

    • More Hamas supporters for Hamas.
    • More territories for Israel.

    Secondly their wrote a charter in 1988. The charter was antisemistic and they wanted a theocratic state under islam. I don't like any theocratic state. They removed it later in 2017, was it really removed ?

    Anyway, They killed 1200 peoples in 2023. 1200 people died. That's horrible. It wasn't Netanyahu, nor Israel governement...

    And Israel's army did worst with the support of europeans nation and USA : 62,000 palestinians died. That's horrible. I think the real number of casualities since 2023 is around 200,000 because lot health facilities are destroyed and they blocked humanitarians help...

    And right now, since they razed Gaza, Trump want to move palestinians to others countries since they don't have any home...

    I don't have any words for this horror.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Hamas in its present form is a consequence of a century of genocide and settler-colonialism. There are other liberatory groups in Palestine such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine with better stated platforms, but Hamas gets the most attention and is the largest. Hamas is not perfect, but to condemn it equally with Israel, the country that created its conditions in the first place, is wrong and again a chauvanistic attitude.

    Violence against genocidal oppressors is a factual consequence of genocidal oppression. The Wretched of the Earth by Frantz Fanon goes over this in detail.

    People being genocided broke out of their open-air prison and attacked the people committing genocide against them. It was Israel that did this, because Israel has been committing genocide. There have been moderate attempts for Palestinian liberation, and all have failed, so violence became the only option for the Palestinian people.

    The importance I am trying to stress is that both you and I are both oppressed by Capitalist societies, but at the same time benefit massively from Imperialism, and our stances and attitudes towards subjects of Empire is what separates us most.

    Your stance seems to be that "a sin is a sin," so to speak. My stance is that all actions are part of a larger cause and effect, and the cause for Hamas's very existence is the genocide of Palestine that has been going on for a century. Israel's destruction of moderate groups and denial of moderate solutions has over time forced more people of Palestine to abandon those methods, they see more and more that they will only be free from genocide if the state of Israel is destroyed, and a new secular Palestinian state over former Israelis and Palestinians alike takes its place.

    This is why I recommend reading Fanon. Violent anger towards oppressors from the oppressed is fundamentally different from violent anger towards the oppressed from oppressors. Treating the oppressed the same way you treat oppressors is the privledged aspect, as it entrenches that divide rather thank attempts to make it equal.

    As beneficiaries of Imperialism, our internationalist stance requires fighting to make things worse for us. If we stop the system by which we are bribed into acceptance, we lose the benefits of cheap goods and resources produced overseas with Imperialism. We gain from Socialism, and we in the Imperialist countries lose from fighting Imperialism so that others may no longer be oppressed. The first mindset is easier to grasp than the second because we benefit from the second while being oppressed by the first.

    That is the difference.

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