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[–] wsheldon@lemm.ee 87 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm still experiencing this as of Friday.

I work in school technology and copilot nopety-nopes anytime the code has to do with gender or ethnicity.

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[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Really? Maybe my variable names and column headers were sufficiently obscure and technical that I didn’t run into these issues about a month ago. Didn’t have any problems like that when analyzing census data in R and made Copilot generate most of the code.

Is this one of those US exclusive things?

I definitely did refer to various categories such as transgender or homosexual in the code, and copilot was ok with all of them. Or maybe that’s the code I finally ended up with after modifying it. I should run some more tests to see if it really is allergic to queer code.

Edit: Made some more code that visualizes the queer data in greater detail. Had no issues of any kind. This time, the inputs to Copilot and the code itself had many references to “sensitive subjects” like sex, gender and orientation. I even went a bit further by using exact words for each minority.

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[–] wsheldon@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago*

Specifically, it will not write the word "Gender" where it will write "HomePhone".

Maybe there's some setting that's causing us to get different results?

Edit: saw your note about U.S. exclusive and that could definitely be it.

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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

That does not match with my experience

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[–] wsheldon@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Should have specified, I'm using GitHub Copilot, not the regular chat bot.

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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago

Ah. Makes sense that your experience may not match mine then.

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[–] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Can you get around it by renaming fields? Sox or jander? Ethan?

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[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Why would anyone rename a perfectly valid variable name to some garbage term just to please our Microsoft Newspeak overlords? That would make the code less readable and more error prone. Also everything with human data has a field for sex or gender somewhere, driver's licenses, medical applications, biological studies and all kinds of other forms use those terms.

But nobody really needs to use copilot to code, so maybe just get rid of it or use an alternative.

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[–] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

There's 2 ways to go on it. Either not track the data, which is what they want you to do, and protest until they let you use the proper field names, or say fuck their rules, track the data anyway, and you can produce the reports you want. And you can still protest, and when you get the field names back it's just a replace all tablename.gender with tablename.jander. Different strokes different folks

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

...3 weeks ago I am bumping this discussion just to add a voice - the hospital I work at is attempting to harmonize how old and new systems store things like sex and gender identity in an effort to model the social complexities of the topic in our database as health outcomes have been proven to be demonstrably better when doctor's honors a patient's preferred name and gender expression

This may turn out to be a blessing in disguise, under the current administration.

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[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Yeah, or someone will die because lab result baselines that are dependent on sex get fucked up.

Politics need to stay the fuck out of medicine. Having people try and do a political dance around lab science is a recipe for disaster.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 2 years ago

I don't disagree, and at the same time, this is where we are. 🤷‍♀️

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[+] Viri4thus@feddit.org -10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

US horseshoe reality. The right is anti vaccines the left is dogmatically anti-biology in medicine. I feel bad for normal people living in the US. It's like common sense and pragmatism was bred out of the gene pool.

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

the left is dogmatically anti-biology in medicine

lolwut

Accepting that gender is a social construct has literally nothing to do with biology. I promise you that even the most diehard Leftists still understand what biological sex means.

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