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Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them? (sh.itjust.works)
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If so, was it polled somewhere?

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[–] 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

we want an immediate end to the war. in what way does wanting an end to the death make us comparable with the alt-right?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    How is being pro russia and wanting war to end in any way compatible though? They invaded Ukraine. They literally started a war. That's a pretty disgusting deflection tbh

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    NATO/US started the war when they couped the democratically elected Ukrainian government in 2014, and when the US installed regime started bombing civilians in the Donbass

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh so Russia is just saving Ukrainians from US imperialism by bombing them and committing war crimes. Thank god for our wonderful leader putin o7

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Where did I say any of that? I was simply correcting the poster about who the original instigators of the conflict were, and pointing out the fact that the banderite regime has been killing innocent Ukrainians for years, history did not begin in February 2022

    Acknowledging the US's role in creating the conflict and the crimes of the regime they installed is not the same as supporting Russia's actions

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Russia started a war. Ukraine has two choices. Surrender and end the bloodshed, or fight tooth and nail and pour more innocent people into the meat grinder and then surrender. There is not a third option. Obviously they should choose the former.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Calling for an immediate end to the war is dishonest and supports Russia

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We’re just not keeping our head in the sand here. Ukraine is not taking back Crimea, or even the Donbas. The counteroffensive failed horribly. Cheering for more bloodshed isn’t going to make a better outcome in the end.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    "cheering for more bloodshed." Are you telling on yourself? You act like a counteroffensive is supposed to be fast and easy. It's not, war is bloody and deadly and Russia is not going to call for peace until they achieve their objective of overthrowing the Ukrainian government or achieving a peace deal where they can keep Ukraine's economic sectors

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Russia is not going to call for peace.

    So that was a fucking lie
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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You act like peace deals are the same thing as calls for peace. They can still have peace deals to appear they want peace when they started the war in the first place back in 2014

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You act as if a peace deal isn't literally someone calling for peace.
    Lmao what with the "infiltrators" that cannot be proven? The two oblasts have a large population that is ethnically russian. When a government that had spoken of cleansing russian influence comes into power, it is pretty understandable that that would foment separatism. At best we can prove Russia provided financial aid to separatists, and then later stepped in and negotiate Minsk I and II, which were both broken by Ukraine

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Did these ethnically Russian people want to be apart of Russia?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They at least fought enough for autonomy that Ukraine saw fit to bomb them. Wether they wanted to be Russian is debatable

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Some Russians who maybe maybe not that lived in the area fought against Ukraine which means they wanted autonomy therefore it's ok for Russia to annex and invade Ukraine

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Quick question: did you know about any of this before today? Did you know about the Maidan Coup? Did you know about the nearly 15,000 casualties, including over 3000 civilian casualties, in Luhansk/Donbas between 2014 and 2022? Were you aware of the extensive reporting by western sources on far right elements in Ukraine committing crimes against humanity?

    If any of that was news to you, do you think it's ever appropriate to pause and reassess your position? Or are you just going to double, triple, and quadruple down on your fairy-tale understanding of the world with smug quips that don't address anything of substance? smuglord

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yall calling for the continuation of the war are telling on yourselves. Otherwise you'd fucking be fighting rather than advocating behind a computer for others to die. Too scared to go to Spain and fight the fascists?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Oh man the the US union should've just given up the civil war instead of continuing the fighting. Think of all the good Americans that will die. Let's just let the confederates secede instead of having a bloody conflict

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You think the country that has a national holiday to celebrate their Nazi era leader is the Union in this analogy?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And there the conversation goes. Ukraine is actually Nazi and it's ok to kidnap and bomb the Ukrainian citizens because the country is openly nazi

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just using the trappings of sarcasm in your reply doesn't negate the fact that I reported is in fact true. They openly celebrate their nazi history.

    The conversation goes that way because there lies the truth.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    The only progress the counteroffensive has made is in destroying Western materiel and getting scores of Ukrainians killed. They haven’t even reached the second defensive line yet. The total amount of territory retaken is like 100 meters of farmland. I’m calling it a failure because it is a failure.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They can either surrender now, or surrender when all the able bodied people have been killed for no good reason. Ukraine can no longer win this war.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "Ukraine should surrender so that they can spare their civilian and combatant lives to Russia which totally won't abuse their land and people as they've done in the past"

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Ukraine should surrender now while people still have families to come home to, instead of propagating senseless death.
    You're also just making russian demands up? At no point during this war has Russia sought to annex the entirety of Ukraine, which it seems to be whate you are implying they will do.
    Please try to remain in reality.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Russia could make that happen, you know. They could pull their forces out. Right now, that would end the conflict.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    imagine dying on the “war is bad” hill. i can agree on that point, and i don’t even need to politically align myself with real shitters and make a fool of myself in pseudo-public to do it!

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    imagine not thinking war is bad. imagine believing American propaganda given its track record.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Bro, this war is totally different to every other war, bro!

    Trust me, bro! I know we got duped into supporting:

    The Korean War

    The Vietnam War

    The war in Iraq

    The other war in Iraq

    The war in Afghanistan

    The war in the Philippines

    The war in Guatemala

    The war on Cuba

    The war in Laos

    The war in Cambodia

    The war in Somalia

    The war in Yemen

    The war in Libya

    The war in Grenada

    The war in Yugoslavia

    ...but this time it's an existential threat!! Trust me, bro!

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