▲ 205 ▼ Suddenly seeing more hexbear posts. Did we re-federate with them? (sh.itjust.works) submitted 2 years ago by jacaw@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works 1218 comments fedilink hide all child comments If so, was it polled somewhere?
[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (3 children) I am incredibly owned rn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Lmao your instance literally blocks it. Just shows how your instance can go fuck themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our instance doesn't show any externally hosted images, it's not about what's in the image idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Its completely irrelevant whats inside the image, the point is you don't get shown it because your instance likes censorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The reason we don't show externally hosted images isn't because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) your instance likes censorship because of the CSAM thing I think to that weeb, blocking CSAM is censorship and censorship always bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kuori@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) correct, we don't allow racism or bigotry on our instance, fashie. sorry that offends you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Poor baby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (5 children) It's the 1989 Tiemaman square Tank Man picture and Xi Jinping as Whinnie the Pooh, images commonly censored in China as one of them demonstrates clear oppression and the other discredits the CCP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oppression is when you stand in the way of a tank and the tank stops for you, and then you climb on top of the tank and have a conversation with the guy in the tank, and then you walk off completely unharmed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (4 children) There's a lot more where that came from http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tiananmen-square-massacre Also you can find plenty on reddit by just searching "Tiananmen square" https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11db77h/tiananmen_square_massacre_1989_bravely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/q8savh/tiananmen_square_massacre_images/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/v5jbog/1989_tiananmen_square_massacre_protesting_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/v4ryjb/photo_of_the_aftermath_of_tiananmen_square/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence (This was copy pasted from Reddit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) (This was copy pasted from Reddit) Sorry my dietician told me to stay away from permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first two links have plenty on them though and aren't from Reddit and I can go to archive the rest for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You believe ridiculous -tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao you're literally using Reddit as a source! Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members. The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of. The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in "good" countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Here's the BBC on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables). a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting). one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian). Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.). various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number. An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155. CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago). during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb). tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night. The REAL tank man video. the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.). the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses Hey, did those protestors have bones? Were they wearing clothes? Do you have the first clue about how the human body and/or physics work? permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so @CookieJarObserver is using the racist Whinnie the Pooh insult. As always. Scratch a liberal and a fascist/racist bleeds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You realize that this picture originated from Chinese social media right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist. Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now. And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature. Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right? You realise that the origin of something doesn't determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn't absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Have you ever seen the complete tank man video? he doesn't get run over, while in the authoritarian US state vehicles are often running into peaceful protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 8 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Egon@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago How dare those tanks not run over that man! Don't they understand that freedom is when you just plow into people like US security forces do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm fairly new to Lemmy. What does that signify? something to do with federation I guess? I can see the picture - Xi as Pooh Bear.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Recently someone started trying to bring large Lemmy instances down by posting CSAM on large instances with open sign ups, as a result the hexbear mods made it so that images from untrusted instances wouldn't be shown to hexbear users to avoid hexbear users having to see stuff like that and to reduce the mods workload, idk whether its a temporary measure or not but for now all images from untrusted instances are just replaced with the words *removed externally hosted image* on our end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you, that makes sense. I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don't think there's any way to actually prevent it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago Apparently there's been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago So in other words our chinese censorship is censoring american freedom? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Lmao your instance literally blocks it. Just shows how your instance can go fuck themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our instance doesn't show any externally hosted images, it's not about what's in the image idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Its completely irrelevant whats inside the image, the point is you don't get shown it because your instance likes censorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The reason we don't show externally hosted images isn't because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) your instance likes censorship because of the CSAM thing I think to that weeb, blocking CSAM is censorship and censorship always bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kuori@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) correct, we don't allow racism or bigotry on our instance, fashie. sorry that offends you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Poor baby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our instance doesn't show any externally hosted images, it's not about what's in the image idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Its completely irrelevant whats inside the image, the point is you don't get shown it because your instance likes censorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The reason we don't show externally hosted images isn't because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) your instance likes censorship because of the CSAM thing I think to that weeb, blocking CSAM is censorship and censorship always bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Its completely irrelevant whats inside the image, the point is you don't get shown it because your instance likes censorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The reason we don't show externally hosted images isn't because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) your instance likes censorship because of the CSAM thing I think to that weeb, blocking CSAM is censorship and censorship always bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The reason we don't show externally hosted images isn't because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) your instance likes censorship because of the CSAM thing I think to that weeb, blocking CSAM is censorship and censorship always bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) your instance likes censorship because of the CSAM thing I think to that weeb, blocking CSAM is censorship and censorship always bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) correct, we don't allow racism or bigotry on our instance, fashie. sorry that offends you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Poor baby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Poor baby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Poor baby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (5 children) It's the 1989 Tiemaman square Tank Man picture and Xi Jinping as Whinnie the Pooh, images commonly censored in China as one of them demonstrates clear oppression and the other discredits the CCP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oppression is when you stand in the way of a tank and the tank stops for you, and then you climb on top of the tank and have a conversation with the guy in the tank, and then you walk off completely unharmed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (4 children) There's a lot more where that came from http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tiananmen-square-massacre Also you can find plenty on reddit by just searching "Tiananmen square" https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11db77h/tiananmen_square_massacre_1989_bravely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/q8savh/tiananmen_square_massacre_images/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/v5jbog/1989_tiananmen_square_massacre_protesting_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/v4ryjb/photo_of_the_aftermath_of_tiananmen_square/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence (This was copy pasted from Reddit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) (This was copy pasted from Reddit) Sorry my dietician told me to stay away from permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first two links have plenty on them though and aren't from Reddit and I can go to archive the rest for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You believe ridiculous -tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao you're literally using Reddit as a source! Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members. The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of. The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in "good" countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Here's the BBC on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables). a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting). one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian). Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.). various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number. An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155. CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago). during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb). tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night. The REAL tank man video. the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.). the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses Hey, did those protestors have bones? Were they wearing clothes? Do you have the first clue about how the human body and/or physics work? permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so @CookieJarObserver is using the racist Whinnie the Pooh insult. As always. Scratch a liberal and a fascist/racist bleeds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You realize that this picture originated from Chinese social media right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist. Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now. And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature. Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right? You realise that the origin of something doesn't determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn't absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Have you ever seen the complete tank man video? he doesn't get run over, while in the authoritarian US state vehicles are often running into peaceful protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 8 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Egon@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago How dare those tanks not run over that man! Don't they understand that freedom is when you just plow into people like US security forces do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venus@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oppression is when you stand in the way of a tank and the tank stops for you, and then you climb on top of the tank and have a conversation with the guy in the tank, and then you walk off completely unharmed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (4 children) There's a lot more where that came from http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tiananmen-square-massacre Also you can find plenty on reddit by just searching "Tiananmen square" https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11db77h/tiananmen_square_massacre_1989_bravely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/q8savh/tiananmen_square_massacre_images/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/v5jbog/1989_tiananmen_square_massacre_protesting_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/v4ryjb/photo_of_the_aftermath_of_tiananmen_square/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence (This was copy pasted from Reddit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) (This was copy pasted from Reddit) Sorry my dietician told me to stay away from permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first two links have plenty on them though and aren't from Reddit and I can go to archive the rest for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You believe ridiculous -tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao you're literally using Reddit as a source! Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members. The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of. The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in "good" countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Here's the BBC on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables). a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting). one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian). Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.). various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number. An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155. CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago). during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb). tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night. The REAL tank man video. the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.). the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses Hey, did those protestors have bones? Were they wearing clothes? Do you have the first clue about how the human body and/or physics work? permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (4 children) There's a lot more where that came from http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tiananmen-square-massacre Also you can find plenty on reddit by just searching "Tiananmen square" https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11db77h/tiananmen_square_massacre_1989_bravely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/q8savh/tiananmen_square_massacre_images/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/v5jbog/1989_tiananmen_square_massacre_protesting_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/v4ryjb/photo_of_the_aftermath_of_tiananmen_square/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence (This was copy pasted from Reddit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) (This was copy pasted from Reddit) Sorry my dietician told me to stay away from permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first two links have plenty on them though and aren't from Reddit and I can go to archive the rest for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You believe ridiculous -tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao you're literally using Reddit as a source! Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members. The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of. The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in "good" countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Here's the BBC on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables). a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting). one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian). Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.). various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number. An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155. CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago). during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb). tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night. The REAL tank man video. the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.). the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses Hey, did those protestors have bones? Were they wearing clothes? Do you have the first clue about how the human body and/or physics work? permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venus@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) (This was copy pasted from Reddit) Sorry my dietician told me to stay away from permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first two links have plenty on them though and aren't from Reddit and I can go to archive the rest for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You believe ridiculous -tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) The first two links have plenty on them though and aren't from Reddit and I can go to archive the rest for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Venus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You believe ridiculous -tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Venus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) You believe ridiculous -tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Venus@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao you're literally using Reddit as a source! Not a single journalist who was on the square that day saw anything akin to the accusations happening. The only corpses in the square were those of lynched police officers and army members. The tianamen square incident - as it is thought of in china - is in fact not supressed, but taught of. The video of Tank Man is a video of a military unit showing incredible restraint - something you cannot find the equivalent for in "good" countries like the United States, where protesters are run over by cops daily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Here's the BBC on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables). a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting). one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian). Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.). various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number. An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155. CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago). during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb). tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night. The REAL tank man video. the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.). the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Here's the BBC on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables). a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting). one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian). Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.). various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number. An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155. CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago). during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb). tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night. The REAL tank man video. the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.). the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) wikileaks published a private diplomatic cable stating that no one was killed in the square itself, although a smaller number of people did die in clashes elsewhere in Beijing, consistent with China's own official account. (Here's a Telegraph article on the cables). a spanish film crew was in the square all night and filmed people peacefully leaving the square in the early morning, singing the Internationale, here's footage of a Hong Kong news report that includes the spanish film crew footage, which never appears in western reporting). one of the main organizers of the protest, Hou Dejian, states that no one died in the square and calls out other organizers for lying I Interview where Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, says he was in the square all night and saw no one killed here is a twitter thread covering testimony by various organizers, including Hou Dejian). Numerous western media sources have stated that no massacre occurred in the square. (This article links to multiple western sources, including James Miles, attesting that no one died in the square.). various western massacre reports cite wildly different death figures, usually with little or no justification for the number. An attempt to collect all the names of the massacre victims ended early when they only found 155. CIA and NED goons were known to be present in Beijing and involved in the protests. (Here is an article from the Vancouver Sun in 1992, showing western intelligence involvement was known in the west decades ago). during most of the protest, protesters were calling for a return to stricter communism, not for liberal market reforms. These were Marxists. Their signs showed Marxist figures and slogans. (This article shows some images of the protesters displaying Marxist slogans and iconography and discusses it a bit — careful linking this site though, some of the articles are pretty dumb). tank man: the tanks in the video are leaving the square (you can see this in the uncropped footage) and it is broad daylight, whereas the main violence occurred at night. The REAL tank man video. the first violence was against troops, not civilians. On June 2, 1989, two days before the June 4 incident when the main violence occurred, multiple unarmed Chinese troops were burned alive and their corpses hung from nooses in public. ((CW: gore) here is a thread of photos showing dead and wounded troops, some being rescued by civilians. Multiple men were burned to death, others were beaten. Some protesters stole guns from the army and can be seen brandishing them.). the violence against troops was uncharacteristic of the previous tone of interactions between troops and protesters in the preceding weeks. Troops and protesters had peacefully coexisted, singing songs and sharing food together. (Here's an article that goes into it a bit) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses Hey, did those protestors have bones? Were they wearing clothes? Do you have the first clue about how the human body and/or physics work? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so @CookieJarObserver is using the racist Whinnie the Pooh insult. As always. Scratch a liberal and a fascist/racist bleeds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You realize that this picture originated from Chinese social media right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist. Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now. And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature. Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right? You realise that the origin of something doesn't determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn't absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You realize that this picture originated from Chinese social media right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist. Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now. And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature. Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right? You realise that the origin of something doesn't determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn't absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist. Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now. And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature. Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature. Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kuori@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature. Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago You are saying an Asian person looks like a yellow cartoon bear. Can you not see how that implication is racist? permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right? You realise that the origin of something doesn't determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn't absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Have you ever seen the complete tank man video? he doesn't get run over, while in the authoritarian US state vehicles are often running into peaceful protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 8 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] Egon@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 3 points 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=JMtopY3pcZs https://piped.video/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago How dare those tanks not run over that man! Don't they understand that freedom is when you just plow into people like US security forces do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm fairly new to Lemmy. What does that signify? something to do with federation I guess? I can see the picture - Xi as Pooh Bear.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Recently someone started trying to bring large Lemmy instances down by posting CSAM on large instances with open sign ups, as a result the hexbear mods made it so that images from untrusted instances wouldn't be shown to hexbear users to avoid hexbear users having to see stuff like that and to reduce the mods workload, idk whether its a temporary measure or not but for now all images from untrusted instances are just replaced with the words *removed externally hosted image* on our end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you, that makes sense. I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don't think there's any way to actually prevent it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago Apparently there's been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago So in other words our chinese censorship is censoring american freedom? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Recently someone started trying to bring large Lemmy instances down by posting CSAM on large instances with open sign ups, as a result the hexbear mods made it so that images from untrusted instances wouldn't be shown to hexbear users to avoid hexbear users having to see stuff like that and to reduce the mods workload, idk whether its a temporary measure or not but for now all images from untrusted instances are just replaced with the words *removed externally hosted image* on our end permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you, that makes sense. I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don't think there's any way to actually prevent it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago Apparently there's been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago So in other words our chinese censorship is censoring american freedom? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you, that makes sense. I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don't think there's any way to actually prevent it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago Apparently there's been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago Apparently there's been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago So in other words our chinese censorship is censoring american freedom? permalink fedilink source parent