@loudWaterEnjoyer @wren A lot of people have been asking about the skill toys and wren has already answered what they are for many times. I think wren's assuming that the person who said "all for a fidget toy" has already read the other messages and is just being disingenuous.

@illectrility @Vej Solid backpack, but not a CCW backpack in any capacity

@constantokra That's interesting. I'd check SAK Wiki or field it with the folks on r/victorinox (they also have a discord server).

The main tools are identical to the swiss champ, but the back tools are a bit different. There's also no sewing eye on the reamer/awl. So maybe it's an older version of the swiss champ. The newer one also has plus scales so it has a pen included which you would see the slot for on this side of the scales.

@wizzor Please do!

@pineapplelover @Steamymoomilk These days, stuff made in China runs the gamut from sweatshop to well paid labour and from crappy clones to very premium manufacturing.
If a company talks about their work environment and prides themselves on it, the labour might be fair. I wouldn't trust this messaging from someone like Nike though.

I mostly avoid China for political reasons

@constantokra @SendMePhotos Oh and of course if you're looking for something without pliers, a 91mm or 93mm(alox) Victorinox is very good. The cons are no locking tools, one handed blade, or pocket clip

Climber gives you blades, scissors, screwdrivers, can and bottle opener, Huntsman adds a wood saw, Mountaineer adds the metal file/precision screwdriver/metal saw, Ranger adds both. The Huntsman is super cheap from victorinox themselves and the Mountaineer is the most expensive.

@Eheran There's a metal bar right behind the back that notches in, so the pressure goes there. The tape is just stopping it from sliding downwards. Thanks for pointing that out though.

(I sat in it for an hour)

@Vej I would look at the Vertx Gamut backpack! I'm not a fan of this American company that tries to act all macho and patriotic while manufacturing their stuff who knows where, because they just say "imported". Instead of "Made in China" or "This is our partner factory in Vietnam at this specific address".

You're not gonna find a CCW bag without Velcro to be honest, that's how you attach the holster. But the gamut seems easy to clean out and none of the Velcro is exposed to the exterior

@7heo @sleepybisexual Yeah I addressed this in another comment, it's dumb to say "this is objectively the best".

Buy I stand by Victorinox's quality! Have you see the Swisstool Spirit MX Clip? The tolerances and fitment are better than Leatherman tools according to many youtubers. Gerber is shite. I do wish Victorinox had more one handed models, and pivots you could disassemble like LM.

Anecdotally, my Mountaineer is shaving sharp, and I've batoned it through firewood and it's still that sharp

@FlashZordon @tkk13909 Definitely check out CalyxOS. There's been a lot of drama between the graphene and calyx communities, but mostly attacks and misinformation from the graphene side. The Calyx foundation is really cool and they provide good support. Graphene *enhances* the android security model (this is useful perhaps but extreme for most people) while Calyx maintains it - most custom ROMs weaken the security model by not relocking the bootloader.

@tkk13909 @FlashZordon CalyxOS and other ROM user here, degoogled phones are awesome

@mipadaitu I honestly didn't consider how objective my title was, lol

The 91mm SAK is *one of the best* pocket tools in existence, certainly. But normally I wouldn't say something is THE BEST, because that's highly subjective.