I don't actually, the climate is already collapsing. Our timeline won't extend far enough.

But if we were to change our relationship as I described, this model of capitalist-funded maintenance would become incompatible.

I'm well aware that the modern ML techniques are not what we now call AGI, but I don't see the relevancy here?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but I'm shuddering at the new of industry of lawyers it would require to make that a semi-functional ecosystem. There are certainly contemporary examples of this business model. (Ironically ML is handling a lot of the work these days, but you still need the lawyers.)

Can we fast forward to the part where AI is maintained by all and benefits all? Pandora is out of the box and there won't be peace until we find harmony with this new entity.

Yeah, yeah, I know - if only.

America is a terrifyingly broken country.

It's like 'every day is backwards day' crossed with an infinitely-recursive manifold.

I saw a headline this morning that hedge fund managers are bullish on diesel. And the logic here seems to check out from what I skimmed. Will be interesting to see how this develops. A consumption downturn might kick the can out further.

I do support the argument that further complexifying essentials before the great decomplexification is a bad idea. However, burning a ton of fossil fuels to build alternative power sources is not a solution unless it is basically free energy - renewable alone is not sufficient justification. We need volitional degrowth. We won't get it, but that's what we need.

Not to diminish any particular arguments, but this is how these conversations always play out in my view:

Stop burning fossil fuels.

But we are in overshoot.

Yes

But we won't be able to keep up agriculture.

Yes

But we won't be able to keep up industry

Yes

But we won't be able to keep up consumerism

Yes

But people will die.

Yes :(

But the rich will loses their riches

Yes

but but but

It doesn't matter what the cost is, that's the solution. The rest is simply consequence - and it grows greater by each day we ignore it.

Just because an ask is nigh impossible, does not mean that it is foolish or that it comes from ignorance.

c/collapse... such a lovely sound to it, even here at the end of civilization.

(refering to having decentralized from r/spaces)

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