Jagmeet Singh represented the entire party.

And you absolutely have a local representative in Canada. And that can do an awful lot, they can bring forward local issues and you have someone to speak to if you've got a problem and you can hold them to account. This happens all the time. And god knows there's been more than one back bench revolt over the years, that's the thing that happens in every political party

So you're mistaken. We definitely have local representation and that's critical

And it does make sense that you're representing the population less. You've lost your local representative, you can't hold them accountable, the person who is speaking for you might not even be someone you like or know. You lose massive amounts of accountability and now it's the party and the internal politics that put people in charge and not the people directly. You are 100% less represented under that system then a system where you pick the local person and they are answerable to you

Even worse by forming a coalition a government would now be pursuing a policy that was never put forward and voted on by the People. They would have no mandate for the things they were doing yet they would be doing them anyway. And we saw that again with the Justin and jagmeet coalition where it was a hodgepodge of ideas that had never been presented to voters during the election. So once again far less representation by the people, politicians feel emboldened to do whatever they like to or whatever they need to in order to stay in power regardless of the people's wishes

And it's pretty hard to claim that our system favors majority governments when we had basically two in the last 26 years. Sure carney bought himself one recently but guess what, that can happen under proportional representation even easier than it did for Carney under the current system. And in fact under your system there would be no way for the voters of the writing where the person crossed the floor to hold that person to account next time, they can easily be in the next government

What's your proposing is an absolutely horrible system that removes accountability and representation.

There are vastly better ways to improve our system and representation and the whole governments to account then proportional representation. I get why a lot of people like it when they first look at it but it's a horrible idea

A coalition represents the population less. You lose your individual MP so you have no one locally to hold responsible. A coalition has to run on a platform that was never introduced in the election so now they're operating without even a mandate. And there's no accountability, one blames the other and nobody gets held to account.

Let's take the last of government as an example. They formed a coalition and jag meat basically sold out his party and everything he got elected for in exchange for what has amounted to nothing. Now he walked out the door with his pension intact and will make tons of money as a consultant because of his time in government. Meanwhile the liberals went on to win the next election and have now managed to buy themselves a majority. But young Canadians still can't afford a home, Food inflation is through the roof, and our economy is still tanking and nobody was held to account. Justin Trudeau is off making millions of dollars each year consulting with charity organizations that he gave money to while he was prime minister and doing speaking engagements.

The government to work and be effective people need a local representative, there needs to be one government that people can hold to account and there needs to be one clear vision that this government is working towards instead of a mishmash of ideology and sound bites but look good but do nothing for the people in the long run

It has been said that our democracy is a horrible way to govern people, with its only redeeming quality being that it's better than all of the others that are available. And this is true

There are other ways to improve our democratic representation, this just isn't one of them

People voting against it is absolutely evidence that it's a horrible idea. But I love that you are claiming that the people making a democratic decision about it is terrible because we need more democracy 😂😂😂😂😋

The people took a look at it they looked at the pros and cons they gave it serious consideration and said no. And not just once or twice but many many times now. And while you may not like that it is absolutely evidence that when people actually give it serious consideration they come to the conclusion that it's a bad idea

And you absolutely need a parliament that's efficient. Efficiency isn't measured in bureaucracy, it's measured in results. We've basically had minority governments for most of the last 11 years, And a look at our economic legal and social results suggest that there are serious problems with that and that encouraging it to go on more is not a healthy thing.

And there is absolutely nothing fair about government by committee. Again I would point you to Israel.

And the liberals got to power by buying off members of the opposition until they Cobble together a majority. And essentially that's what you get by management of committee, that's what you want more of not less. For now had a majority in his last term impractical terms despite it being technically a minority government. How'd that go for us?

There's no difference between a party that can impose its will and a cabal or coalition that does as we saw under the liberals ndp coalition last government. Remember that the vast majority of gov'ts this century have been minority gov'ts.

Effective management absolutely requires clear direction and vision. A gov't should have a clear mandate and be empowered to execute it within the boundaries of it's constitutional authority. Otherwise parties can throw the blame aorund and you see people stay in power forever. Israel is an example. In situations like that it's all about posturing and optics and never about good governance. You still get that with first pass to post to a degree but it does give governments the freedom to do unpopular things once in awhile when it's the right thing to do

There are lots of ways to improve the system and improve representation but proportional representation is probably the worst

Nobody thought nafta had anything to do with a recession 😂😂😂😂 The word recession wasn't even mentioned 😁😁 This is what happens when you pay too much attention to the voices in your head

My numbers are perfectly accurate and Golly Gee.... you can't post any at all!!!! Why it's almost like you're just talking out of your ass!! LOLOL!!!!

Harper pissed china off on a regular basis. He literally invited the Dalai lama to visit and more than once told china to piss off. They were always a little nervous around him. But sure he wanted to do business with them if possible, but he sure as hell didn't cozy up to them the way Justin did. That's why they called Justin little potato. And carney is just absolutely their man in Ottawa. China lent carney the money that Brooksfield Lent to elon musk to buy twitter. And they lent him that money when he was over there working for Trudeau and the Canadian government to deal with another issue

So swinging a miss there too. You really don't know your history

And sorry kid but the only one who is senile and childish here is you. I have presented facts, links, actual information and all you've done is wine and cry and everything that you have said has turned out to be false

In the last half century the conservatives have been the ones that have moved Canada forward and built Canada up, the liberals are always the ones who have no idea what to do next and wind up tearing down the hard work of others

Free trade agreement with the USA. You know, that thing that dug us out of the hole the LAST trudeau got us into and that is in the newspaper every single day now? Holy crap you're out of the loop. How have you never heard of the free trade agreement between Canada and the US?

the libs didn't pass our banking regs. Our major banking reforms, credited with saving us during the recession, was authored and passed by Brian Mulroney in 1987 and 1992 and changed canada entirely. which set us up for prosperity later.

Harper spent over $100 billion in infrastructure. He didn't spend Even a billion on advertising. You really have no knowledge of any of this it would seem. Maybe you should do some more reading before you talk

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Nope, it doesn't mean it's turned around. I can go over the numbers and circumstances leading up to each and every one if you like. I feel like that won't work out the way you wanted,

The conservatives came up with gst, free trade agreements, and banking changes that saved us during the worldwide recession, they came up with 'shovel ready' infrastructure models during the recession which really worked for us, along with the cmhc buy back which was nothing short of brilliant and kept our banks flush with cash to lend, and about a dozen other things. And PP has proposed many ideas that would make a substantial difference right now. Carney steals ideas but can't implement.

I'm sure it's upsetting because it doesn't meet with your narrative but that doesn't make it less true.

Yeah I'm kind of seeing that. Well, maybe he'll be able to defend his position this time

No. You're wrong. Here's a chart

As you can see almost all of our peaks are always around the liberals. The liberals almost unanimously add massive amounts to the debt

Worse the liberals usually leave things in such a mess that we have massive inflation that has to have massive increases in interest rates which makes the debt grow even faster and they just leave that for conservatives to deal with

So it would be you who is rewriting history and badly at that

Trudeau racked up debt and massively spiked inflation, mulroney put that down

Chretchen only reduced the deficit and debt by stealing 70 billion dollars from the unemployment insurance fund and left things a mess, harper scared us through the economic crisis

Justin Trudeau borrowed more money than every other prime minister before him and Carney is set to do the same

The only people who have had good ideas in the last 60 years have been conservatives. And Carney ran on conservative ideas now.

Sorry kid, you failed that one hard

Absolute nonsense. It was a conservative government that dealt with the massive debt left by the liberal governments under the first Trudeau the negotiated the original free trade deal that saved our asses at the time. It was a conservative government that moved from the hidden taxes to the GST which made things considerably better as well. It was a conservative government that wrote the banking act that saved us during the great recession while the American banking system collapsed.

And it was a later CPC government that pulled a bunch of extremely unique and Innovative tricks to get us through the great recession largely unscathed compared to other countries. Tricks that Trudeau would later use but had never been used before.

The current conservative party is making dozens of extremely good suggestions that would radically change how things are: And Carney based his entire campaign off of other conservative suggestions

It would be more accurate to say that conservatives are the only party that proposes solutions. The liberal steal some of them and then fail to execute

Unfortunately doing what we want is not really an option. It's not a question of whether or not we're going to lose it becomes a question of whether or not we're going to lose or we're going to lose horribly and with disastrous consequences.

Trump is unlikely ever put the 50% tariff on us certainly not for anything time but he might very well put tariffs on us that are lower. And we simply couldn't survive that. We might be able to diversify our economy in the next 20 years or so but not any time in the immediate future,

Future so at the end of the day we're going to have to give him what he wants and get what we can get which is going to be terrible.

Carney played a strategy of string trump out to the midterms and hope that he loses badly at the midterms and in the meantime give him whatever he wants to drag things out. So we came down every thing from the bridge to the DST etc

But now trump thinks that carney will came on anything and he's not going to wait till the midterms.

So now we're in a tough position. We can't walk away cuz if trump actually does put those tariffs on we're dead. I mean really dead, like declare bankruptcy and live like Mexico dead