The Muslim call to prayer will ring out more freely in New York City under guidelines announced Tuesday by Mayor Eric Adams, which he said should foster a spirit of inclusivity.

Under the new rules, Adams said, mosques will not need a special permit to publicly broadcast the Islamic call to prayer, or adhan, on Fridays and at sundown during the holy month of Ramadan. Friday is the traditional Islamic holy day, and Muslims break their fast at sunset during Ramadan.

The police department’s community affairs bureau will work with mosques to communicate the new guidelines and ensure that devices used to broadcast the adhan are set to appropriate decibel levels, Adams said. Houses of worship can broadcast up to 10 decibels over the ambient sound level, the mayor’s office said.

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[–] 86 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I find the call to prayer more offensive than inclusive

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    [–] 70 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Having lived in Bedstuy where a loud Muslim prayer happens every Friday morning, it's annoying as fuck and should not be exempted from ordinary noise ordinances.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I lived right next to a Mosque in Kensington (that opened up without a proper permit in a residential zone a year after I purchased my property). They used to broadcast their prayers at ungodly volume. It was loud as hell, would cut through my headphones and ruin any ability I had to do anything, even think straight. I made numerous noise complaints but nothing was ever done by the NYPD. Got so bad that I finally sold the place and moved somewhere dominated by orthodox Jewry just because I knew they'd serve as a bulwark against me ever having to hear any prayers again.

    I'm sure that the people who think this is a good idea view it as a simple matter of religious freedom. It is not. My experience was one of having someone else's religion thrust upon me. Church bells are annoying and loud, but they do not contain actual religiosity. I was always taught that my rights ended when I infringe upon someone else's rights. Broadcasting prayers so loud it can be heard above the ambient noise in NYC is trampling on my rights to exist free of religion.

    Believe whatever you want, but keep it to yourself. I feel awful for everyone who lives near a mosque in NYC.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    My experience was one of having someone else’s religion thrust upon me.

    That's exactly what this is. If someone is part of the religion, they either already know what time it is or have set up their own alarm to notify them. The only reason to blast this across the neighbourhood is to force everyone to hear it.

    Freedom of religion is freedom from religion.

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Houses of worship can broadcast up to 10 decibels over the ambient sound level

    10db may not sound like much but a sound 10db louder sounds twice as loud to the human ear.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    The Islamic call to prayer happens before sunrise, just after noon, late afternoon, just after sunset, and night time.

    I think you’re going to have a fuck load of complaining when that bad boy goes off at 4:30 am. I used to live in Mosul and you could hear the imams all across the city. It’s like a giant alarm clock.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago

    Religions shouldn't get special privileges.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago

    This is some backward ass bullshit. Keep your religious garbage to yourself. Complain about Christians forcing school prayers then have this dumb shit.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    We hear church bells all the time, so this seems reasonable.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago

    Glad church bells were the top comment... I grew up across the street from a church and I cannot say this loud enough FUCK CHURCH BELLS!! Ban them both, if you need to be called to pray or told what time it is buy a smartphone and set a reminder.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are they using bells then?

    I’d be annoyed if I lived near a Christian church that had a megaphone telling people to come pray, but bells at least seem less intrusive.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Less intrusive? They're ridiculously loud.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you know what's not loud? Configuring alarms in your phone. Wonder if these people have thought about it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe just personal preference for me then, but I find it’s easier to ignore as it registers as background noise.

    Someone blasting music or a speech would absolutely drive me up the wall though.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's the argument that all the "Muslims shouldn't have extra privileges" miss.

    No one should have extra privileges, but we can't take away church bells because of all the Christians would cry foul, so we're stuck giving more religions the right to make excess noise everytime they ask because otherwise it's discrimination.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Church bells originally existed for a purpose though and that was to strike the hour and ring alarm. Iirc the call to prayer can be used to tell time but like once or twice a day at best.

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Religion: Get away without paying taxes, receive special privileges, and influence government policy!

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    Well, they managed to put the foot in the door (you're fucked) just you wait what other special treatments religious folk will require ...

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    what if you live next door? Kinda like your neighbor's dog barking or mowing grass if you work nights

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I lived about 3 miles from a church in a mid-sized town in the midwest. On Sundays they'd play music on some gigantic jangly bell thing I could hear loudly at my house... again, 3 miles away. I can't imagine the noise complaints a regular person would get for playing something that loud, but they're a church so apparently it's fine.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    My GF lives by a mosque where they blast their off-tone, lazy chants at full blast. Its awful. Its so loud it rattles her windows. Apparently its to evangelize, but I can't imagine anyone getting swayed when their ear drums burst from poorly toned chants.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I still think this issue can be solved with an app. In fact I am willing to help work on it as long as they promise to put it to bed.

    You get a little cry to prayer on your personal device based on your location.

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    [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    And then Americans call Europe a New Mogadishu, lol.

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