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[+] 156 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago

    Germany did that too. But the guy did a lot better in the first term and installed himself as the only Leader. He even got imprisoned, yet he prevailed.

    Please Murica, just do the right thing. The oter option isn't great, but you'll regret another Trump 4ys

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    When Trump lost, they decided (and were propagandized into believing) that democracy had failed. Many of them genuinely believe that the democratic party is a fascist entity bent on destroying America. That's the scary part.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    I think there are about three things in play here:

    1. Quite a lot of the republican base lives in a completely different reality thanks to campaigns of propaganda and destroying education. Charitably, the best way to describe these people is extremely ignorant. For them, these indictments are dem led witch-hunts that they mostly don't believe, even when you can literally see the opposite. EG: Should presidents take classified documents? No. What are these pictures? those are classified documents at maralago. Did Trump do something wrong? Now let me tell you about Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family...
    2. Quite a lot of republicans are bordering on sociopathy if not pure evil. The party in particularly, and not the voters, know they're peddling bullshit but they don't care because it's going to get them more money/power, which is the only real goal/ideology. Then you have the white supremacists and fascists that are just evil and are doing this for ideological reasons.
    3. Systems are designed in this country to perpetuate this. Literal minority rule is a founding principal of this country.
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    [–] 109 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    Okay, before people start beating me up, I'm not arguing for complacency, but this headline is more than a bit click-baity.

    This is a small poll, and per the poll's methodology (scroll down, keep scrolling.... nope keep going... ok... there you go - emphasis mine):

    The New York Times/Siena College poll of 1,329 registered voters nationwide, including an oversample of 818 registered Republican voters, was conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from July 23-27, 2023. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.67 percentage points for all registered voters and plus or minus 3.96 percentage points for the likely Republican primary electorate.

    Not only did they over sample Republicans, their margin of error is almost 4% within that group.

    This feels like the NYT attempting to establish a narrative based on a very small, biased sampling of data. Remember that the mass media wants to amp up the uncertainty levels (which drive engagement and advertising revenue), and with Trump basically blowing out the primary, they'll need another spectacle to ensure that it appears to be a close contest down to the finish line. The timing of the poll release and the headline is also suspect, especially as this poll was taken before the news of the latest indictment, yet presented as if it's a reaction to today's news.

    That being said, I think it is an accurate portrayal of sentiment from those who still consider themselves Republicans. I don't believe, given the small sample sizes and admitted bias, that it's an accurate picture of the country.

    Again, that's not an argument for political complacency - rather, it's one against media driven narratives relying on biased polling that make you scroll down six pages of tables to find their methodology.

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  • [–] 79 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    It's also a telephone poll...that guarantees it's mostly people 50 and older because who the fuck under 50 answers phone calls from unknown numbers?

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  • [–] 54 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I rarely answer calls from known numbers

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Man, I actually answered a telephone pole a couple weeks ago. I was so excited to get his stupid poll while I was driving, and stuck in traffic. I figured I might as well sacrifice my 5 minutes (they claimed) to help get some more lefty numbers in their poll numbers.

    Then it turned out it was a fucking poll for a natural gas company trying to greenwash their image and were looking for support for their anti-environmental ad campaign.

    I was so bummed. Plus it took 45 minutes, fuck polls!

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  • [–] 69 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    This can't be true,

    Trump is a convicted rapist and known criminal that emboldened domestic terrorism.

    Biden is actually doing a great job.

    These two things are not equal.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    ....but, but, but Biden told those railroad workers to go back to work so the economy didn't collapse, so you know, he's just as bad as Trump!1!!

    /s

    I guarantee you that topic is going to come up more than a few times over the next few months from people who never intended to vote for Biden either way and instead are cherry picking bullshit topics to help sway others.

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    [–] 47 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    All it takes is for Biden to develop a sudden health problem, as old people sometimes do; then it's Trump vs Kamala Harris and we're fucked.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Similarly Trump could fall over dead tomorrow and then it's old man Biden vs young . This is the current plan for any Republican currently in the race, the hope that Trump takes himself out, either via the legal system or just poor general health, and then they can swoop in and be Trump "lite".

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    [–] 37 points 3 years ago* (7 children)

    If anything this should scare the Democrats. Imagine if the Republicans nominated someone even slightly decent?

    I said it after 2020 with all the trouble he had getting elected, Biden probably should be a 1 term president and not run for re-election.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Someone who is even slightly decent doesn't have what it takes to get the Republican nomination.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I originally said "not Trump" And probably should stick with that. Basically that election was a 4 year referendum on Trump. That energized a lot of the Democrat base, and got the vote out. And Biden still struggled, when he probably should have destroyed him.

    It honestly feels like both parties are choosing the weakest candidates over the last eight years.

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    [–] 30 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It makes me crazy that we're even talking about this and it's more than a year away. Our election cycles in the US are too damn long.

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    [–] 21 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Is this another landline poll? Those are notoriously and increasingly useless.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You mean you don't take 15 minutes out of your day to answer random questions when a random phone number calls?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    The New York Times/Siena College poll of 1,329 registered voters nationwide, including an oversample of 818 registered Republican voters, was conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from July 23-27, 2023. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.67 percentage points for all registered voters and plus or minus 3.96 percentage points for the likely Republican primary electorate

    Landline and cellular plus an oversample of republicans? Maybe someone better at statistics can say why that was needed

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    [–] 15 points 3 years ago

    Propaganda works great, doesn't it?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    These numbers never really matter.

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    [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    This should not even be possible. The propaganda machine in place since Nixon apparently works. People are fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    With such a small sample all you can really take from this is that both parties will receive votes. This says next to nothing about how close the race will be.

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  • [+] 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
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