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[–] 156 points 2 years ago (1 child)

It’s honestly like someone comes up to you and tells you that you have to win class president for the local kindergarten.

You’d love to talk about stuff like human rights or healthcare but you know that if you want to win the election you need to promise them longer naps and candy every Monday.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    My son hates naps. I don’t think that’s a winning strategy.

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  • [–] 134 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Remember how Governor Wallace said, "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"?

    What most people don't know is that decades later, he went to a lot of work to try to undo the damage he caused and advocate for civil rights. The problem was, the damage had been done a lot of it. Very real people have had their lives injured. He egged on voters into bigotry longer than they needed to be.

    I can't help but feel that the last 10 years or so, we've been watching the same thing. All of this is going to age like milk. Future (and even current) generations suffering (or who will soon suffer) the effects of the climate crisis, are going to universally find moments like tonight universally outrageous.

    History won't be written by baby Boomers. It's going to be written by the gen alpha kids who will be the adults when we're old and gone.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I can’t help but feel that the last 10 years or so

    This climate denialism has been going on much longer than that. For as long as there's been profit in damaging the environment, there's denialism about that damage. In many ways our whole capitalistic western culture is and has always been environmental denialism ... it's the cultural air we've been breathing since we were all born.

    And yes ... completely agree with you ... our, and our parents' generation are going to age like fine milk ... we're going to look toddlers that had technology and the ability to great things right in our hands but instead shat our pants and broke everything we touched because of stupidity we had not yet grown out of, because a better parent should not have given us this technology yet until we'd grown up more.

    My personal take on this is that all the generations of modernity will be lumped together in this way as the period in which humanity's reach truly exceeded its grasp. Modern warfare, Fascism, Nuclear weapons, modern capitalism, the internet and mass-(dis-)information. Collectively, we'll look pretty foolish and dumb when looking back, like a people that didn't know how to actually think about what we were doing collectively.

    It'll also be interesting to think about our cultural thinking process struggled to keep up with our technological progress. The comical image I have in my mind is a toddler quickly going from grabbing a swallowable piece of Lego, to a knife, to an electric saw to a lightsaber before the babysitter realises that they really need to intervene. And so that toddler will grow up without a left foot always wondering how in the hell the world let them have a lightsaber as a 2 year old.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    To a capitalist, a forest has no value until it’s cut down.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    A lake in a remote location provides pristine, clean water to a local village, for free. Someone buys the lake, builds fences around it, begins packing the water in bottles and selling them. Thanks to this valiant entrepreneur, the GDP has grown.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    I wonder if they have any sense of how history will judge them and if it hunts them at night. They are probably to mutch involved in their daily power struggles but I would like to think that their time of reflection will come. Not every politician can be such an ignorant narcist like the orange clown, right?

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    [–] 77 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Don't bury the lede! One outright called it a hoax.

    “I’m the only candidate on stage who isn’t bought and paid for, so I can say this,” Ramaswamy said, though he caught some shade. “Climate change is a hoax … The reality is more people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate change.”

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  • [–] 70 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I don't understand how such pure evil became mainstream for 30-40% of the US population.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Because accepting the truth means accepting that unless we take radical, almost certainly financially painful action, we're all fucked. It's easier to pretend that everything is ok. At least until we start starving.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I said much the same earlier today on another thread. Lib or con, too many are not willing to sacrifice to prevent what is coming. It's easy to pawn this off on just the cons, but take a close look at your own surroundings and your lib friends and see who is walking the walk.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Paper straws and bicycles won't solve the climate crisis. What my lib friends and I are doing doesn't really matter when just a handful of entities make up so much more of the environmental impact.

    We could stop those entities...if it weren't for the cons constantly blocking any attempt to help the greater good.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Admitting being wrong is weak and unmanly.

    These are the same people who buy massive trucks and hang "balls" on them to out-manly the next guy.

    These are the same people who beat their sons when they see them "crying like a woman".

    These are people who would rather see their children's friends shot at school than admit that maybe they have an unhealthy relationship with guns.

    Toxic masculine stupidity.

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I love how this is the first post on any social media that I've seen about this "debate." Willful stupidity is going to kill us all

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    To be fair, Desantis immediately interrupted and said they weren’t going to raise their hands “like children”. No candidate would raise their hand after a comment like that. All their specific answers were certainly not climate friendly, but they are at least a little bit more nuanced than the title implies

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  • [–] 82 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Desantis didn’t have an issue raising his hand when the question was whether they would support Trump should he receive the nomination.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Brawndo, has what plants crave!

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Because corporations and the media mouthpieces they fund know more about climate change than, you know, the scientists who actually study it.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    American politics is such a god damn nightmare. It's not going to end well there.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    "I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!" -Vivek Ramaswamy, probably

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    American politics isn't confined to America. Vote for Republicans so their climate plans can kill us all here in the Philippines with typhoons.

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