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[–] 159 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

Ukraine United States is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid

The fact that everyone understands that the war in Ukraine is based on American backing means that it's a proxy war between the US and Russia.

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  • [–] 109 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    $773 billion dollars last year spent on fighting "proxy" wars around the world (and if you count the spying, domestically).

    The only one that America has actual moral footing to get behind is the only one we are pulling punches on.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hardly the first time. I'd argue the US made the same mistake in Afghanistan in 2003, diverting resources to Iraq because Bush Jr. had such a hard-on for Saddam.

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    [–] 113 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Yes, no shit. That was the outlook from day 1.

    The Russian Army is largely represented as a bunch of baffoons in the Western media, but it's still one of the 3 largest armies in the world. Ukraine cannot hold their lines indefinitely, the only way to "win" against an opponent that has multiple times your materiel available is guerilla.

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    [–] 96 points 2 years ago (44 children)

    The free world loses when Russia wins.

    It's pretty much an invitation to China to do the same in Taiwan and an invitation for Russia to start more wars in eastern Europe.....

    Helping Ukraine costs money. Not helping Ukraine costs even more.

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    [–] 84 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    People in this thread clearly don't understand what the implications are. There is a very clear danger of war on the European continent that will involve NATO and by proxy the US. Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option. Europe is not going to just let Ukraine fall and will ramp up their involvement. We already have France willing to send troops.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Biden frantically sends more aid to israel

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    [–] 62 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

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    Gaddafi's is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.

    Nukes are why the DPRK hasn't been invaded again, and why it hasn't ended up Libya is now.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you've lost a war you weren't even fighting in. Fuck yeah!

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago*

    Definately NOT proxy cannon fodder

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  • [+] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)
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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Ukraine is already losing and unless something crazy happens they will lose.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's why Congress doesn't want to send more aid.

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