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[–] 105 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 98 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    IIRC "books" were a medieval-period invention. Before the common era, everythign would have been scrolls or tablets. The first codices wouldn't have existed until about 100BCE in Rome. So, assuming that this is (roughly) what a cuneiform tablet was saying, I wonder what the actual work used for 'book' was, and what more accurate translation there would be, if we had the relevant cultural understanding?

    But, more so than that - the earliest proto-novel that we know of is The Tale of Genji, that dates to roughly the 11th century BCE (Edit: this is a typo; it is definitely CE, not BCE). Which makes the question of what kind of 'books' this is supposed to refer to even more interesting.

    Or--alternatively--is it just a shitpost?

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The Tale of Gengi is for 11th century CE, not BCE.

    I'm pretty sure this tablet is fake, but I do remember how similar people in those times were to us when I read the translated tablets from that period. One that I remember most was talking about a parent who tried to bribe a teacher to give his son better grades.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, you are entirely correct, that was a typo on my part.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm curious though, why callt that the earliest? Going by the dictionary definition of a novel (A fictitious tale or narrative, longer than a short story, having some degree of complexity and development of characters; it is usually organized as a time sequence of events, and is commonly intended to exhibit the operation of the passions, and often of love), there are several ancient works that I'd think would fall into that category (or do epic poems not count?). I just checked Wikipedia and I see there's a whole article on Ancient Greek novels.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I found this on skeptics stack exchange. Supposedly, it's a hoax/urban legend that goes back way before the internet. (The entire stack exchange page on this topic is fun to read, btw)

    The quote originally came from Prof. George T.W. Patrick of University of Iowa, who translated an ancient stone tablet into modern English and published in "Popular Science Monthly", May 1913. The full text of the original can be found online at archive.org: https://archive.org/details/popularsciencemo82newy, page 493.

    One writer found this same quote in a slightly earlier source dating to 1908.

    Yet another writer noted that there was no Chaldea but ...

    ... there was a stele of a King Naram-Sin of Akkad which has been exhibited in the Istanbul Archaeological Museum since 1892. The inscription on this stele is fragmentary and has nothing to do with degeneration.

    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/4923/was-this-quote-on-a-clay-tablet-about-unruly-kids-written-by-an-assyrian

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    earliest proto-novel that we know of is The Tale of Genji, that dates to roughly the 11th century

    What makes it a proto novel compared to Greek or Indian mythology texts?

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    he was right.. their world did end..

    you can't get even decent Assyrian Ale anywhere these days

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    but it still lasted for another 1600 years

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Everyone wants to write a book? in 2000 BCE? gonna need a citation on this one

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The writing on this tablet being from a time when his civilization was collapsing. The only change to make his words 100% correct would be "as we know it."

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Other than the fact the Assyrians didn't collapse until 600 BC and it wasn't for any of those reasons.

    Of course, Assyria also didn't exist in 2800 BC so the meme probably meant 800-600 BC for a 2800 year old tablet, but STILL, the old man yelling at clouds was wrong.

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    I love ancient "kids these days". They make me feel better about kids these days.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    To be fair, it was only a couple millenia later that they were conquered by the Babylonians, so he had a point.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hey... I wanna write a book!
    jk, lol, I just wanna write a comment on Lemmy.

    Now substitute "every man wants to write a book" with
    Every man wants to post cat pictures
    Every man wants to write a twitter rant
    Every man wants to film a tiktok challenge

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No one will dig up our Lemmy posts in 1000s of years. :(

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Make Assyria Great Again

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    Just because people complained about something in the past doesn't mean it's not a problem.

    That said, alt-right types who want to get all "woe is me" "society has degenerated" are pathetic. They're just as addicted to helplessness and being a victim as the "woke" progressives they bully. Just touch grass and move to a conservative place. They also can't do that because they don't want to submit themselves to God and so they can't live with religious conservatives.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Time is relative. If the end is coming in 5000 years it will be only a moment in a universe which is billions of years old.

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