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[–] 110 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It was ever thus:

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

Winston Churchill

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    lol it’s “boots,” but I like pants better. Makes the truth seem so much cooler ‘cause it was fuuuuuuuuuckin

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    See, even quotes with errors in them get upvoted before someone can come along and correct them :)

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    [–] 68 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And trust me, these generated images are getting scarily good.

    I have to agree, I would not be able to spot a single one of them as fake. They look really convincingly authentic IMO.

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  • [–] [S] 143 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Stalin famously ordered people he had killed erased from photos.

    Imagine what current and future autocratic regimes will be able to achieve when they want to rewrite their histories.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Stalin famously ordered people he had killed erased from photos.

    This checks out, here's an article about it: https://www.history.com/news/josef-stalin-great-purge-photo-retouching

    So why are you downvoted? Maybe because your view is too optimistic? And the problem isn't only with autocratic regimes. But much more general.
    How do we validate anything, when everything can be easily faked?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    “Photoshopping” something bad existed for a long time at this point.AI generated images doesn’t really change anything other then the entire photo being fake instead of just a small section.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    I’d disagree. It takes, now, zero know-how to convincingly create a false image. And it takes zero work. So where one photo would take one person a decent amount of time to convincingly pull off, now one person can create 100 images or more in that time, each one a potential time bomb that will go off when it starts getting passed around as evidence of something. And there are uncountable numbers of bad actors on the internet trying to cause a ruckus. This just increased their chances of succeeding at least 100-fold, and opened the access to many, many others who might just do it accidentally, for a joke, or who always wanted to create waves but didn’t have the photoshop skills necessary.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago*

    Digital image editing has been really good for this kind of stuff for quite a while. Now it’s even easier with content aware fill.

    Unless you’re the PR manager for the British Royal family. Then you somehow lack the basic skills to make convincing edits.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    the cat is out of the bag. every nation and company is racing to invent the most advanced AI ever. and we are entering times when negative impact of AI outweighs the positive use of it.

    I am really feeling uneasy about the uncertain times ahead of us.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The article opens:

    When I first started colorizing photos back in 2015, some of the reactions I got were, well, pretty intense. I remember people sending me these long, passionate emails, accusing me of falsifying and manipulating history.

    So this is hardly an AI-specific issue. It's always been something to be on guard for. As others in this thread have pointed out, Stalin was airbrushing out political rivals from photos back in the 30s. Heck damnatio memoriae goes back as far as history itself does. Ancient Pharoahs would have the names of their predecessors chiseled off of monuments so they could "claim" them as their own work.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We'll now need AIs to spot AI fakes. AI wins!

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The problem is that it's a constant war between fake generators and fake detection algorithms. Sort of a digital version of bacteria out-evolving antibiotics.

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/27/18715235/deepfake-detection-ai-algorithms-accuracy-will-they-ever-work

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    And for a reasonable price, the AI corporations will sell you the chance to survive in the world they created for you.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The past we know is a carefully crafted and curated story and not at all accurate as it is. It is valuable to learn and understand but also be skeptical. I don't really think wide spread forgery changes that. Historiography is a very important field.

    Any serious historical research will have to verify the physical copies exist or existed in a documented way to be admitted as evidence. This is called chain of custody and is already required.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That’s for historians and professional researchers. It may not sway the field at large, but it’s still a huge risk to public opinion. I shudder to think of the propaganda implications for rewriting history in a near indistinguishable way.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    From the article...

    The real danger lies in those images that are crafted with the explicit intention of deceiving people — the ones that are so convincingly realistic that they could easily pass for authentic historical photographs.

    Fundamentally/meta level, the issue is one of is; are people allowed to deceive other people by using AI to do so?

    Should all realistic AI generated things be labeled as such?

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There's no realistic way to enforce that. The answer is to go the other way. We used to have systems in place for accountability of information. We need to bring back institutions for journalism and historians to be trustworthy sources that cite their work and show their research.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    There’s no realistic way to enforce that.

    You can still mandate through laws that any AI generated product would have to have a label on it, identifying itself as such. We do the same thing today with other products that are manufactured and sold (recycling icons, etc).

    As far as enforcement goes, the public themselves would ultimately (or in addition to) be the enforcers, as the recent British royal family photos scandal suggests.

    But ultimately Humanity has to start considering laws that affects the whole species, ones that don't just stop at an individual country border.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't get me started on the sham that is recycling icons 😂

    I'm all for making regulation that would require media companies to disclose that something is fake if it could be reasonably taken as truth. But that doesn't solve the problem of anyone with a computer pumping fake images on to the web. What you're suggesting would require a world government that has chip level access to anything with a CPU.

    As for the public enforcing the truth; that's what I'm suggesting. Assume anything you see online could be fake. Only trust trustworthy institutions that back up their media with verifiable facts.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    AI is creating fake XY, and that is problems, problems, problems everywhere...

    During the last decades, IT guys and scientists have always dreamed about using AI for good things. But now AI has become so much better at creating fake things than good things :-(

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "statement headline" + "and here's how you should think" = fuck right the unholy toe fungal hell off.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    When I read the title I sarcastically thought "Oh no, why is AI deciding to create fake historical photos? Is this the first stage of the robot apocalypse?" I find the title mildly annoying because it putting the blame on the tool and ignoring that people are using it to do bad things. I find a lot of discussions about AI do this. It is like people want to avoid that it is how people are using and training the tool is the issue.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    So AI really is a seminal paradigm-changing technology. For the worse.

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Compare to the "Cottingley Fairies" photographs of 1917.

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