When it comes to safety culture at Boeing, there is a “disconnect” between senior management and workers, and employees responsible for checking the company’s planes question whether they can raise issues without fear of retaliation, according to a panel of outside experts.

The aviation-industry and government experts also said safety training and procedures at Boeing are constantly changing, leading to confusion among employees.

The comments were contained in a report Monday to the Federal Aviation Administration. Congress ordered the study in 2020, when it passed legislation to reform how the FAA certifies new planes after two deadly crashes involving Boeing 737 Max jetliners.

Safety at Boeing is being re-examined after last month’s blowout of an emergency door panel on an Alaska Airlines Max jet. Accident investigators said in a preliminary report that bolts used to help hold the panel in place were missing after the plane underwent repairs at Boeing’s factory in Renton, Washington.

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[–] 61 points 2 years ago (3 children)

...has made changes that have reduced the chance of retaliation against employees who report safety problems...

There should be ZERO chances of retaliation. Reporting safety problem should be rewarded. and not just safety problems, any non-conformity must be properly documented and acted on.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    This isn't even just a job standpoint. Retaliation in general can be illegal (well...depending. I know that gets messy) but in an industry like this? holy fuck that should not just be a lawsuit or some shit. That should be straight up fucking jailtime.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean yeah but when you have 50,000 employees there's like 20,000 of them in a management position.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Roles and responsibilities. People who's role is to report non conformities should not be managed by people who 's role is to deliver on time. That's a conflict of interest. That goes all the way up the chain of command. Manufacturing and quality are meant to be independant.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yes absolutely. That should winnow down the number of people responsible for the culture a bit.

    But you also have people reporting to Operations (not quality) who will discover defects. And then they either need to feel empowered to inform quality or their manager.

    Independent quality function does not completely solve the culture problem. In fsct, I'd bet their quality organization is independent.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My friend is an engineer at Boeing and she has had a hell of a time lately due to all the extra work coming through. She’s still being pushed to move forward even if the planes aren’t ready, and the executive team is blaming the engineers. It’s fucking wild.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    My wife has been with Boeing for about 16 years. She works in finance though. Still, I hear from her constantly about how ass backwards everything they do is. I'm convinced the company is going to be broken up and sold off in pieces one of these days.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Entire management team needs to be removed and revamped. Still will take a long time to regain trust.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    As a society I feel we are over managed and over administered. Colleges, hospitals, and companies have dozens of highly paid executives and administrators who add little value and do even less work.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The primary problem is that centralized decision making is necessary, but the type of people who seek out those positions tend to be power hungry and make changes to establish their authority instead of making decisions based on what is actually best for the organization.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I don’t think decision making needs to be nearly as centralized as it is. David Graeber wrote - I think in Bullshit Jobs but maybe something else - about a nursing company in the Netherlands where it’s broken into democratic work groups. They have low overhead and high patient and worker satisfaction.

    By putting the decision making closer to the work I think you get better decisions.

    Edit: I looked it up and it was Rutger Bregman in "Humankind"

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    “The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” Douglas Adams

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Quality and safety will always be at odds with the bottom line.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I flew in an exit row on a 737 last week. I kinda want to get a shirt made commemorating my survival.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The neat part is that if Airbus starts having safety problems there’s exactly zero other competition.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    COMAC, but there would be no way a new manufacturer would be able to keep up with global demand.

    https://skift.com/2024/02/25/can-chinas-new-plane-compete-with-airbus-and-boeing/

    Airbus doesn't have the safety issues Boeing has. Airbus put in the proper R&D including safety into the A320neo to make it a safe plane. Boeing needed to play catch up to make something that could compete against Airbus's plane and decided to cut corners.

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