submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
 

Got suckered into helping a non-profit with their web presence, and of course, it was a Wordpress site (at least it wasn't a Facebook page).

Everything about WP is mildly infuriating at best, just regular infuriating at worst. Everything. If you know, you know. It's like they tried so hard to make it "easy" to use that it went full circle into a fuster-cluck of unintuitive and clunky everything.

With every facet of the experience being an upsell, is there a tier where it's just not horrible to use?

Specific examples:

  • WYSIWYG editor doesn't match the preview
  • Chasing the scroll point in the outline when moving elements
  • Can't edit block properties after they're added
  • Everything is a damn upsell
    • Want to remove the Wordpress footer? Upgrade to a paid plan (does not specify tier)
    • Okay, I've updated to a paid plan that meets our needs. Please remove the footer please.
    • "Oh, you have to have a plan two tiers up to do that"
  • General clunkyness
  • Only supports Apple map embeds which cannot find any of the addresses I need to enter
    • Cannot embed a Google map properly (doesn't support percentage widths for the iframe element so I can't make it responsive)
  • Changing the column widths on a layout grid block never releases the slider, so you have to mash keys until something else selects that locks it roughly where you want it.

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[–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

https://wordpress.com/support/com-vs-org/

Seems like you're referring to Wordpress.com, which is their hosted, an all-in-one solution.

If you self-host WordPress, like the wordpress.org version, you will have a much better time - but you need to be able to maintain and look after everything yourself. I've never had any upset, but some plugins WILL be freemium and will bug you to get the paid version or subscription.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, they already had everything partially setup on Wordpress.com so I was more or less required to take over that. If I was brought into it from the get-go, rather than cleaning up that mess, I'd have spun up a VPS and built a proper static site for them (they're not using it as a blog or any of the interactive features).

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You could still do that. If it's not a huge site, that effort might be less than digging out of where you are now?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    The information would be easy to move over, but I have no idea how difficult it'll be to transfer the domain away from WP (they registered it with the plan) or if that's even possible. They also already printed the domain on their swag so we're stuck with it.

    Probably just going to have to power through, though I may look into moving the domain and moving to a static hosting for long term once their 1 year is up with WP.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    idk about wordpress, but can imagine you can just get a domain transfer, pay another year with the new provider and then freely use it.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you'd think. But I'm not expecting it to be straightforward or easy (if it is, then yay). I'm definitely going to look into it.

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  • [+] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think you need to wait like 90 days or so after a domain purchase or transfer to be able to transfer it.

    They did about a week ago, and that's what I'm assuming is going to be the hangup. I've just not ever messed with domains registered through WordPress, so I'm also unclear if there are any other restrictions or paywalls (everything is an upsell with them). I get mine directly from a registrar and am familiar with transferring those.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thanks!

    I've got more than 60 days before they want to go live, so it's certainly possible.

    I hadn't looked into it at all yet (have had other things on my plate today), but my main fear was that the domain was registered to WP and just assigned to their account (e.g. WP "owned" the domain and we wouldn't have standing to transfer it). Again, I have done zero research on that front and was largely assuming WP would make it difficult.

    I'll talk to the stakeholders and see what they think. They've already paid for a year of hosting and additionally may want to stick with WP for "reasons" (in which case I'm stuck). They didn't say why they chose it, so I dunno. We'll see I guess. Thanks again.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Again, if it's not too much work, I would prepare a static site first and then, when it's ready, work on just flipping the domain target to your new server.

    I cannot imagine that you cannot change the domain's destination. You can still keep it registered at WordPress, that doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I feel you. This is one of the main reasons I quit doing freelance web design, hate WP with a passion and everyone was using it.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yep. It's for a good cause (the NP does good work) but I am so regretting my decision to help. If they didn't already have the site partially setup and the domain registered with WP, I'd have just offered to throw it on one of my own servers and written something with Tailwind (it's a static site, so they're not using any of the blog or interactive stuff).

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's kind of the perfect storm - supposedly simple enough for the average person to use (they can't), and restrictive enough for the dev that it's like being forced to type with oven mitts on. At least in my experience.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    supposedly simple enough for the average person to use

    That is in fact the result every time that claim is made about any product. That was the pitch for COBOL, so simple your business analysts can write it, no need for expensive programmers. That was the pitch for business rules engines. That was the pitch for dozens of drag and drop GUI based programming "languages". Lastly that's the pitch for any number of specialized tools that let you "script" them like WordPress.

    Not once in the hundreds of times those claims have been made have they ever been true. Every last time the only thing you end up with is a horrible programming language/framework that still requires programmer's but makes the experience of working with it miserable for them.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think the takeaway is wordpress.com is NOT at all the same as wordpress.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I don't know where to start. I get that you're mad, but you're also just... You clearly dont know what you're doing. And that's okay. But that's like sucking at a videogame and blaming the controller.

    WordPress is excellent. It's only downside is that they present large attack surface areas, but that's only because they e made it so easy to hobble together all kinds of plugins to get your site to do anything.

    From the sounds of your post, you dont like the theme you're using. Maybe try a different theme. Or maybe you should switch to the classic editor? Idk.

    You only have to pay for things you opt not to do yourself. That's it. WordPress is free and open source.

    To be blunt: it's a skill issue.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    What you moaning about? It works like a charm.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It is literally the worst CMS I've ever used in my life, and that includes Sharepoint.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I love SharePoint :)

    Keep it simple and it's a wonderful platform. Too many people overcomplicate things and cause themselves their own headaches.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The first line - don't say that out loud, or you won't make any friends. The only thing worse is Lotus Notes.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    I make a ton of money using SharePoint, why would I not love it?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You do realize that you can simultaneously make money on something and acknowledge it's a piece of shit at the same time, right?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I upvoted you for participating in good faith, but I definitely don't agree about Sharepoint. I've made projects succeed despite Sharpeont, never because of it. lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think a lot of that is a lack of knowledge around it's capabilities, it's not as flexible as other systems, but at the same time it's absolutely amazing at doing certain things really fast and easily. I have thousands of people using systems I've built in SharePoint and more than half of them don't even know it's SharePoint. They just pop in, use it, and get out.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago*

    For static sites, just HTML, JS, CSS. I typically use Tailwind and setup a template and host with Nginix on a VPS. For this endeavor, that's all they need.

    For blogging, I use Ghost.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    I fucking hate wordpress. I get assigned a simple task to implement something on some page and find out that the code I need to edit isn't in a Git repo, but instead it's in a basic textbox buried somewhere in a page template. The code is stored in a database instead of version control because the people who built the site don't know any better.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A good theme does not store any code in the db imho

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Wordpress.com sites are trash.

    Wordpress as a CMS otherwise is fine.

    Yes, you need to use Oxygen Builder, Divi, or Elementor to WYSIWYG effectively.

    Yes you need to have daily backups and a security tool like Wordfence or WPMUDev's Defender.

    But it works, its easy to build and migrate, it integrates with everything you want it to, and the content creation and management is super simple for an end user to manage. You can also get support for it from everywhere and anywhere at this point.

    Reality: Everything sucks and you have to adapt and adjust to bullshit on any and every CMS you work with.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Improvise, adapt and overcome, OP. WordPress, like any other tool, is only as bad as the person using it. Look at it as an opportunity to learn a new skill.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    He didn’t say he couldn’t use it, he said it was mildly to normally infuriating. Your comment comes across as patronizing and also misses the point.

    I mean honestly why should anyone ask for improvements to anything, when you could just “get good” instead?

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