Nine states are teaming up to accelerate adoption of this climate-friendly device.

Death is coming for the old-school gas furnace—and its killer is the humble heat pump. They’re already outselling gas furnaces in the US, and now a coalition of states has signed an agreement to supercharge the gas-to-electric transition by making it as cheap and easy as possible for their residents to switch.

Nine states have signed a memorandum of understanding that says that heat pumps should make up at least 65 percent of residential heating, air conditioning, and water-heating shipments by 2030. (“Shipments” here means systems manufactured, a proxy for how many are actually sold.) By 2040, these states—California, Colorado, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Rhode Island—are aiming for 90 percent of those shipments to be heat pumps.

“It’s a really strong signal from states that they’re committed to accelerating this transition to zero-emissions residential buildings,” says Emily Levin, senior policy adviser at the Northeast States for Coordinated Air Use Management (NESCAUM), an association of air-quality agencies that facilitated the agreement. The states will collaborate, for instance, in pursuing federal funding, developing standards for the rollout of heat pumps, and laying out an overarching plan “with priority actions to support widespread electrification of residential buildings.”

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[–] 62 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We got a new heat pump installed in our 1920s house in Minnesota a couple years ago. It works its ass off all year, and only needs help from the boiler in the deepest depths of winter, which it probably wouldn’t if the house were better insulated. It’s always cheaper for us than gas, and it feels great to have our climate control 80-90% decarbonized.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah cold climates are the place where heat pumps will always struggle the most. I'm also from MN and have been eyeing this as an option once my 30yo furnace finally gives in.

    These modern ones work so well even in adverse conditions that they're gaining traction in MN with HVAC companies, which is very good to see.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What? There are tens of thousands of new alpine chalets that have a heat pump as their only source of heating and hot water

    They'll only struggle if you insulated your house with half a dozen feathers

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    We're kinda saying the same thing. New heat pumps are improving on a problem that's been around for decades.

    https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/03/do-heat-pumps-work-in-cold-places-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

    Most cold-climate heat pumps can run at total capacity until the outdoor temperature gets to about 5 F or below. It will still heat your home at those lower temperatures, but not necessarily keep it as warm as you may typically like. That’s where backup heat sources come in.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We want to install one this year in our MN 1920s house. Our mini splits A/C died last year. So we need both an A/C and cheaper heat will be nice. Did you like who you used?

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We love our heat pump!

    We did a DIY install a few years ago. Cost about $4500 in total for a Bosch 18k BTU unit and everything needed to install it.

    We got $900 back from the state (WA USA) and $2000 back from the feds. That brought our total out of pocket down to $1600.

    We had electric resistive heat and no AC previously. Our heating bill went down by $50/month in the winter. It added maybe $10/month in the summer for air conditioning.

    For our area, with mild winters and low electricity costs, it's fucking amazing.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    came here to find the Technology Connections comment. was disappointed

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So link it. I'd be interested in his take.

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    If they really want me to install a heat pump, please go knock some heads at PG&E. 30 cents per KWh makes it really hard.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It kinda shocks me that the supposed wealthiest country has so many people who don't have this super common technology. Basically everyone I know has had a heat pump where I live for the past 2 decades.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    As a Canadian who just got a heat pump, it's because natural gas is so cheap here in North America.

    My system has an auxiliary natural gas backup. Even though my heat pump works down to below -20°C, it's set up to switch over to natural gas at around -6.7°C (stupid fahrenheit setting) because even at COP of ~2.0, 98% efficient natural gas is way, way cheaper.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    It sure would be nice if I could have gotten tax benefits.. They had this BS where you had to get it done by a contractor, and you had to use their heatpump that shit would have been $9000 to get $700 back, and 19%. I had it installed for $2300 total.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The heat pump is the cheap part. You have to reengineer your hvac. It's fucking expensive.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    There are a lot of variables, but often this isn't the case... If you have a traditional gas furnace stack and ac unit it's often a drop in replacement for the AC. The ducting and air handler can be reused (especially if you're in a cold climate, the furnace can be utilized when the temp drops below the optimal operating temperature for the heat pump)

    For some homes it really is an affordable option.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I think these will make sense eventually but if most of my electricity in winter comes from gas anyway, is changing where the gas is burned really better?

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yes, on two points. 1) heat pumps are more than 100% efficient in most conditions. Because they are moving heat, rather than generating it, they can add more heat energy to your home than they actually consume. 2) mix of sources. As you said, even if most of your electricity comes from gas plants, that means some can or does come from renewable sources or nuclear. This makes it much easier to transition to even more renewables, since the consumer side doesn't need to change anything as gas plants are phased out. It's future planning with immediate benefits from point 1.

    Point 1 can be a bit complex, since in extreme conditions air source heat pumps may rely on resistive heating which is only 100% efficient. Alternatives like ground source HPs don't have that problem, but they are suited to fewer areas.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thanks. My climate is relatively mild so I don’t think resistance heating will be necessary. Extreme lows could get to the low 20’s but only for brief periods, so I think heat pumps should still work in such conditions?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Our heat pump didn't really kick in the resistive auxiliary heat until temps were well below 0°F, but humidity also plays into that. It wasn't ever running the resistive heat exclusively.

    If sized correctly, heat pumps also don't really like setbacks in the winter. Just set the thermostat to whatever and leave it -- don't have it cool down at night and warm back up in the morning.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    An additional argument I've heard is that economies of scale come into play with power generation. The argument is mainly used around electric vs gas cars when electricity is generated from fossil fuels, but apparently larger plants are generally more efficient at generating energy. This may not hold up when heat is the desired form of energy compared to a gas car where it's a waste product.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Yeah heat is different because converting fossil fuels to motion is inherently inefficient, but converting them to heat is very efficient. But others correctly pointed out that heat pumps are actually more than 100% efficient because they move heat around rather than making it directly.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Gas boilers can by 95% efficient turning gas directly into heat energy.

    Electricity generation is about 55% efficient at turning gas into electric energy.

    So in a situation where you get 2 times or more heat out per kW you put in then you're lowering your carbon footprint even when electricity is created using gas.

    2 to 4 times is not too difficult so

    There's also the pretty big issue that the more methane is transported, the more leaks we have. As methane is 40× more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas every property we take off the gas network is a step towards reducing the need for that infrastructure.

    Personally I can't fit an air source heat pump in my flat. It would be incredibly noisy and would probably require radiators to be refitted and taken up more space.

    When my gas boiler goes I'll look at the cost of the standing price of a gas connection, annual servicing, and kW cost of gas. Then look at what a standard electric boiler costs.

    It won't have the 2 to 4 times saving on kW cost a heat pump would have but it probably will come out similarly on cost. It will have a lower install cost. And it will reduce methane emissions.

    If we haven't moved far enough to renewable energy by then my carbon footprint might actually go up. But the methane reduction will more than make up for that.

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    [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What happens if you run the heat pump compressor from a gas motor on site, instead of on electricity from a coal powered remote server? That lets you capture what would otherwise be wasted heat, right? That seems best unless your electricity is from renewables.

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