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[–] 126 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Electricity is too cheap for these uses.

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  • [–] 105 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why is commercial power so cheap and residential so expensive? We could fix two problems by balancing that back.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    My understanding is tha some commercial/industrial users will get a highly variable tariff. This may be cheaper much of the time, but can get ridiculously expensive at times of high demand.

    The difference is that a bitcoin farmer can shut down at those expensive times, but a home user still needs to heat/cool their house, run their fridge etc, so the savings cancel out. Because of this, averaging the costs works out easier/better for most home consumers

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  • [–] 120 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    They don't produce anything except some numbers. A total waste of energy. I had to laugh when this guy I know who is very "progressive" and environmentally concerned got pissy when I pointed out how much energy was wasted on bitcoin mining just because he was into it.

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    More like fuck crypto mining. There are cryptos that dont need mining.

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    [–] 73 points 2 years ago (38 children)

    JFC how long do we have to wait for a carbon tax

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There is no good reason why this isn't illegal.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Crypto is the digital coal of our times.

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  • [+] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    With the disadvantage of large stakeholders dominating the network and undermining the decentralization.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    It's actually more true for proof-of-work mining than it is for proof-of-stake. PoW mining has strong economies of scale, a professional miner with a warehouse full of mining rigs and a special deal with an industrial electricity supplier can churn out hashes more cheaply than a home miner can. Whereas the hardware needed for PoS is negligible so there's nowhere near that disparity between small and large miners.

    Also, under Ethereum at least (the largest proof-of-stake chain and the one I'm most familiar with the workings of), stakers don't "dominate" the network. They have no decision-making power over what the consensus rules are. If the users decide to upgrade to a new version and the stakers refuse to go along with that or try to push an upgrade that the users don't want then those stakers lose their stake after the resulting fork.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    Whoever Satoshi was, I wonder how he's responding to the thought that he's personally contributed more to global warming than the average billionaire.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Modern day gold rush.

    Digging up more and more dirt for diminishing returns while destroying the environment.

    Bitcoin using more and more power for essentially the same.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    You'd think with all of the money they're pulling in, they'd invest in solar panels or something to lower their overhead.

    Or am I making the mistake of approaching the situation with common sense?

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (61 children)

    Misleading title - the problem is not "crypto", it's pretty much all Bitcoin and the people against the change in the consensus mechanism. Out of the top 10 9 coins in market cap, Bitcoin is the only one using proof of work, which demands such high energy requirements.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)

    Ultimately, mining should be banned from the surface of Earth. Let miners build orbital solar panel infrastructure close to the Sun where power is plentiful. See Bitcoin developer Peter Todd's 2017-09-10 presentation on the subject (transcript).

    Edit: Fixed URL. Edit2; Add transcript link.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Destroying the environment and not even for real money

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