I hope this doesn't mean they are on the slippery slope of selling user data, thoughts?

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[–] 73 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly the writing's been on the wall for Plex for a while now. I think it was when they introduced podcasts or news or something that it first became clear to me that Plex was trying to grow beyond a software company for self-hosters and prepare themselves for an IPO or something. I still use it simply because their client availability is second-to-none and I've got a bunch of people signed up already, but I've already made my peace that the "Plex getting shittier" line and the "Jellyfin getting better" line are getting closer and closer to crossing each other.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Does Jellyfin have an app that can run on Roku or Firesticks yet?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I've been using Jellyfin on my firestick, roku, and android phone for at least a year now.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    What's your hosting solution for external access? I'm asking because right now, Plex has a lot going for it in terms of allowing me to securely host my own server and share it with the people I want who are outside my network without actually having to open up ports or compromise my network security in any way. I couldn't imagine hosting costs on a cloud VM for a decently sized, fairly actively used media server, assuming you wanted to go that route. I guess you could set up a reverse proxy on a cloud VM and forward traffic into your local network, but then there's still the added network traffic costs for your VM.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think a lot of people use Tailscale and add their external clients to a dedicated tailnet. How are you hosting Plex without opening any ports though?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think they use Plex Relay which is also limited bandwidth since it uses Plex's servers.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I actually do both. Friends and family who are on the plex aren't on the tailscale network. But my personal clients are. I mean, not all of them. You obviously can't add a Roku stick or a smart TV to a tailscale network. Not trivially, of course. Maybe you could custom engineer a solution, but it might not be worth the effort. As I said in a previous comment, though, the best solution might be a dedicated cloud VM that serves as a reverse proxy into your network and which forwards traffic - either by having them both on the same tailnet and one just forwards traffic on specific ports, specifically plex's - or a reverse SSH tunnel. If I had to do it, I'd probably go the first route. Still, the network traffic costs might make doing that prohibitive. But it also might not. I haven't looked into it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Swiftfin is the native app for roku/iOS etc, I think.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wait, does Plex have podcasts? I can't find them in my app.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    At the moment all is fine. I'm just going to ride with it until I have to stop and change to something else.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    I'm mostly in the same boat. So far anything I didn't like could be easily turned off. I unpinned the Plex TV and movies so it never shows up. I don't mind discover because it means it returns results for things I don't have, letting me watchlist it so overseerr can request it without me needing to leave Plex.

    I have a jellyfin container running in the same docker compose yml with the exact same media folders mounted to it with quicksync passed through to it in addition to Plex, reverse proxy already set up so switching is as easy as opening a different URL or app since it's already up and running.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I had to drop Plex when it made me sign in for a locally hosted setup. I'd rather not have them in my library.

    Replaced with Jellyfin as others here have, found every device in the house so far works with it and it streamed 4k to the TV from an RPI 4.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    That is only true when you use their "home" feature. It puts the entire thing behind oauth because it has to do so in order to restrict libraries/content to non-full users. Think about the instance where you have a thirteen-year-old kid and you want to restrict them to pg13 and under. Without forcing oauth on local connections they could just sign out and watch all your star trek porn parodies or whatever you don't want them to see. If you remove the server from a "plex home", it disables the oauth workflow for local connections as expected.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not really happy with a lot of their new sharing/social features, and their recommendations on the homepage can fuck right off, but I do think it's important to be accurate when criticizing. Requiring oauth on local vlans when plex home is enabled is the objectively correct solution.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    How about transcoding subtitles on those 4k titles? That's where I find Plex is a bit worse for wear right now in my environment.

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You know what would be a killer feature?

    Being able to buy movies without DRM crap at full resolution (blu-ray or 4k HDR) at a reasonable price (same or less than physical media) that includes extras. Extra points if everything is already named and in the correct folder layout to just drop it on the server in the right folder. Extra Extra points if Plex manages the download in the background and puts it in the right place when finished, or an incoming folder that awaits approval. Even several hours or more to download it would be fine (just make download resumable).

    (yes I know this is exceedingly unlikely to happen, but we can dream)

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    Plex is yet another service on the enshitification high road, might aswell switch to Jellyfin now and spare the future trouble if you ask me.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago*

    That makes me nervous. We keep seeing evidence, again and again, that "anonymized" data is actually pretty easy to de-anonymize if you have enough of it. So I'm really not a fan of companies selling "anonymized" user data unless they transparently specify EXACTLY what data they're selling.

    I'll stick with Plex for now because it's so easy for others to use, but the moment I smell smoke, I'm heading for the door. I've already got Jellyfin installed and connected to my library, I just haven't bothered to set up a reverse proxy for remote access yet.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah I don’t like it. Gonna ride this out for now like some of the other people here but I suspect I’ll be moving onto Jellyfin in the next few years.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Come join us on Jellyfin. The project has made some great progress.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Does Jellyfin have:

    A dedicated music app?
    Music filtering/smart playlists? Sonic analysis for music?
    Good 4k/x265 performance?
    Has a third party (or built in) utility that shows me streaming usage per person?
    Allows me to limit remote users to streaming from a single IP address at a time?
    Let’s me watch something together with another remote user?
    Has an app for most any device (like Plex or Emby) that does NOT require sideloading?
    Built in native DVR steaming/recording support?
    Built in two factor authentication?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (10 children)

    You're mileage is going to vary based on if you're running off the server's web interface or from a client. The Roku client has made some amazing improvements and I'm thankful for those devs, but it's still behind the Android version in terms of features.

    For music on Android, as an example, Gelli, Finamp, and Fintunes are all music focused clients.

    Lastly, you can run both Plex and Jellyfin off the same library. Give it a try, see how you like it without giving up Plex. I ran them in tandem for about six months because making the jump.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    I'm already on my way out of Plex to Jellyfin.

    I had a nice run with my lifetime pass, but the road ahead has been very clear the last couple of years of where Plex is headed.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    After they purger all the pirate shares, their clock is ticking.

    Soon they'll have no data and no customers. These tools come and go and the community will migrate while they continue their profitable enshitification.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Well, I look forward to having to switch to something else when inevitably someone at Plex says "if we just monetized traffic for home servers we'd be able to make so much money"

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Had to cancel mine once Hetzner got blocked.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Where can I watch The Grudge

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