If you bought a Tesla after January 2025, you may be fundamentally confused about the difference between accelerating forward and smashing into brick walls.
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Didn't Tesla get in hot water for faking post crash logs that indicate the driver overrode autopilotb immediately before the crash? I don't know if I'd trust them tbh.
Turning off autopilot immediately before crashes, iirc
https://electrek.co/2025/03/17/tesla-fans-exposes-shadiness-defend-autopilot-crash/
My tesla frequently claims I am pressing the accelerator on startup while I'm 100% pressing the brake. I've even looked down and checked. Nope, thats the brake all right.
If you can prove that, that is a multi billion dollar class action recall.
my tesla bricked itself once, all the error sensors going off at once. I had it towed to tesla for repairs and they claimed they couldnt find anything wrong with it. I pressed them on that saying I knew it had a unix computer in it and had they checked the log with the times I gave them and then they found a bunch of things wrong. Their repair centers are evidently as incompetent and grifty as the rest of Musk's companies.
Did Musk tell them that?
Electronic data recovered from the vehicle indicated that before the crash, the driver manually overrode FSD (Supervised) by pressing the accelerator pedal to 100%
So no, looks like they checked the logs.
I was kinda assuming the driver messed up this time. The fact that it was pressed to 100% through the crash and still after makes me think he thought it was the brake.
In 2010 there was "gas pedal gate" when a lot of Toyotas went on fire sale because people claimed the gas pedal was getting stuck (new drive by wire throttle systems), but the reality is, after years of research, it's come down to a skill issue. People stepping on the gas instead of the brake and sending it accidentally
Toyota even got NASA involved in testing for interference with radiation and cosmic rays causing a possible bit flip that could command the car to full send... but that didn't work.
The telling part was when they saw a large percentage of people in the accidents were old, diabetic, or both - two categories that have poor proprioception, (knowing where your limbs are) which was a major factor, as some of the cars on the list and lawsuits were made before drive by wire throttle - that is, they were mechanical linkages, so blaming the computer is impossible when there's no computer to blame.
People usually don't want to blame themselves first when a problem comes up. I normally look at my actions and see if there's something I could do differently next time, but I noticed most people don't want to even begin to think that they did something wrong.
Legally, I probably would have kept my mouth shut and made them prove I was wrong too though.
Absolutely. I said it the last time this was posted, that this is an extremely common wreck with every model of car. About half of the drivers in my family growing up caused an accident this way. People press the accelerator when they think they're pressing the brake. The car goes faster, so they press the "brake" harder.
And even after the crash, the driver often insists that it's a problem with the car.
It's a driver error. A foot misalignment problem. It probably does happen more with any "self driving" car or anybody who uses smart cruise control, because the driver may not be using the pedals at all before the incident.
It probably does happen more with any "self driving" car or anybody who uses smart cruise control, because the driver may not be using the pedals at all before the incident.
a really good point I'd never considered when thinking about accidents like these.
Intuitively it makes sense. If my heel remains planted in front of the accelerator pedal even if I'm not pressing it, I still have a frame of reference to know where the brake pedal is. If I'm using all the fancy assisted driving stuff on a long stretch I may relax a bit and pull my foot back, but that does mean if I need to slam on the brakes my reaction time will be worse, and I run the risk of hitting the wrong pedal since I don't have that anchor point anymore.
good thing to be mindful of when using cruise control of any type, newfangled or old school.
Yeah, for sure. Even when I use cruise control, I rest my foot on the brake pedal, both so I can react more quickly and so I don't miss the pedal somehow.
I have the adaptive cruise stuff and I never considered people didn’t do this, seems dangerous to not be in an active driving position while the vehicle is actively driving.
Yeah. That's always been my nightmare driving a regular car too, the "stop" and "go faster" buttons are right next to each other and in a place you can't see them. Such a weird standard, presumably a result of the requirement for physical linkages from early in car history. Would have been nice if electric vehicles had provided an opportunity to rethink that paradigm.
The reason for the gas/brake being next to eachother is due to the historical need to work the clutch pedal at the same time as the gas/brake in manual transmissions. However most modern EVs (including tesla model 3s) have single-pedal driving (press to go, release to slow), so the standard is indeed changing!
IDK how those logs are generated or kept but I don't put it passed Elon to have data rewritten in the event of or just prior to an expected crash. I've also heard reports of cars disengaging autopilot just before a crash to claim the "driver was in control" during the crash.
Warl0k3 has posted elsewhere in this thread with information about how these logs are generated and kept, they're event data recorders. They need to meet federal standards which presumably would include protections against having the data rewritten like that. Seems likely that if this was being done it would be a serious crime and probably a bigger news story than the crash itself, do you have any actual sources?
Sorry, pure conjecture on my part. I just know Elon is as close to a Bond villain as it gets, they have released misleading reports for years, their fatal accident ratings are atrocious, Elon fired regulators that oversee his business, Tesla has lied about missing crash data, and there's a fair amount of open lawsuits involving safety (some from whistleblowers).
Just saying accidental acceleration would be an easier pill to swallow if it was any other car brand.
It's not accidental acceleration, though. The driver had the accelerator pressed 100%.
You can't gather intent necessarily from the data. Someone else also suggested they mistook the accelerator for the brake. No reports seem to mention if the driver was impaired but I doubt it's normal for someone to attempt vehicular suicide stone-cold sober
He did in fact, before the investigation was concluded. Read the article.
This is nothing to do with the manufacturer of this particular vehicle nor any aspect of the vehicle.
Driver pressed the accelerator instead of the brake.
Did Elon tell you this? And you believed him?
What I mean is that these types of accident happen all the time in all kinds of vehicles.
That this particular driver was in a volkswagon swasticar is irrelevant.
I don't think it is irrelevant though. in a car that can and does control your throttle without your input, and is famously poorly built with tons of software issues, built by a company whose head is a famous conman, you can't assume that this is driver error, even if it is a semi-common driver error.
I can believe that Tesla is lying.
I can also believe that the driver just stomped the wrong pedal.
I can even believe then at the same time.
There is enough wrong with Tesla and its owner to talk about without speculation.
I think what we're asking is for you to reserve judgement before more data comes out. It took 7 years to sort out the auto-pilot/driver control case.
Don't forgot how they like about this very thing in the past and got scooped.
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