I’m not trying to troll, I’m genuinely curious. Thinking about deer specifically, it doesn’t seem like visual camouflage would really help much when hunting them. Deer sense predators by sensitive hearing (big ears) and smell (long snout). Their eyes are on the sides of their head, so they detect motion rather than high-resolution.

So trying to blend in with the surroundings doesn’t seem to be an advantage in this case. Assuming all this, what’s the point of clothing with camo print on it?

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[–] 64 points 3 months ago (12 children)

For deer camo is irrelevant because most cases you have to wear hunter orange (or pink) because you don’t want to die by being shot by another hunter. Also the deer don’t really notice the orange so it works out. If you strictly hunt deer you should focus on staying warm and wear hunter orange, camo doesn’t matter.

For waterfowl and Turkey especially though camo is necessary. Birds are really good at seeing danger so if you don’t blend in you have almost no chance of getting one.

The reason a deer hunter would likely be wearing camo is they also hunt turkey/waterfowl and gear isn’t free so they use a lot of the same gear for both seasons.

At least this is why I wear camo while hunting, I do both, but I’m fully aware it doesn’t matter for the deer. The gear is just good for long duration outdoor activity in all weather.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    so like when hunting fowl you just take the danger of getting shot?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not OP, but yeah, basically. Lots of incidents of hunters getting shot while turkey hunting.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    ok. so I guess its just that the wounds are less severe since its buckshot or whatever but deershot will like be bad enough you want the orange?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Birdshot. Buckshot is for deer, never heard it called deer shot.

    Buckshot is about 10 lead balls, each one roughly the size of a 9mm bullet. It'll absolutely fuck you up.

    Slugs are more common, though. That's just a single 1+ oz projectile. Will also ruin your day.

    Birdshot is hundreds of pellets, ranging from .05" - .18" diameter. They lose energy quick, so if you're 50+ yards away, they might not even break skin.

    There's dove hunts where hunters completely surround a field and send their dogs in to scare up the birds. They're constantly getting hit by other hunters' shots from the other side of the field but nobody gets hurt.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    With deer you’re typically using ammo such as a .308 or .243 Winchester. These are long range high velocity rounds that have very high lethality.

    The long range part is important, a hunter 200 yards away wearing camo is probably mostly invisible and a hunter taking a shot at a deer at 200 or even 300 yards isn’t uncommon with this type of ammunition.

    Shotgun shells have lots of small balls, they will often be concentrated more by a choke when people hunt birds, but their effective range and velocity combined with not being a solid mass make them way less dangerous the farther from the shooter they get.

    This also means nobody is taking shots over long distances so the chances of noticing a hunter in camo is higher overall.

    That said people do definitely get hit while wearing camo as was said above, it’s a risk, but if you know where you are and know your fellow hunters aren’t doing unsafe things those risks can be mitigated.

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    [–] 27 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I hunt in whaterever I'm OK with getting dirty but I always have a blaze orange hat because someone shot at me when I was a teenager.

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    [–] 22 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Depends on the deer. Some species have good eyesight. If you live on a big open field that is a very effective way to detect predators.

    Breaking up the contour of your human shape is why you have camo when hunting animals with poor colour vision. They can't tell if you're a boulder or human but no big gray blob is supposed to move. Grass and branches swaying in the wind are all over the place.

    You may also use the same clothes for hunting birds, which usually have very good vision, including color.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Most of the hunters I know sit in a tree stand and chug Busch lights. So it’s basically a sniper nest. And they wear camo because… reasons?

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    To better break up the contour of the the arm when they lift the beer can.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Brilliant. They even make camo Busch light cans. Guess they thought of everything!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There is also no shortage of people willing to sell you something you think works.

    Golfers buy expensive clubs, gamers buy expensive hardware, hunters buy expensive clothes. None of it is guaranteed make you more successful, but I'll sell you this golf ball polish that is guaranteed to make your slice go 10m further off into the rough for only $5.99

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    And why wear full camo except for orange hat? Since deer can’t see colour, wouldn’t orange camo be safer?

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    [–] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    There is definitely a fashion aspect to camo. Less so in hunting, and more so in the military world. Relevant fashion podcast:

    https://www.articlesofinterest.co/podcast/episode/39c00bac/gear-chapter-5

    The rare times I have been hunting we wore blaze orange hats & vests with no camo at all. Not getting shot by accident was priority #1, avoiding hypothermia was priority #2.

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    [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I never understood the camo with an orange vest.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

    People already covered a few reasons deer hunters wear camo (only wanting one set of hunting clothes, camo does work on deer to an extent, etc). I'll add a couple of other reasons.

    Many hunting seasons overlap, so someone might head out early on a Saturday morning to their hunting area to hunt for deer then spend the heat of the day hunting birds. Or maybe they have a license for both bear and deer, and they'll take what they see.

    Second, camo works on humans. Non-hunters absolutely love to mess with hunters. I have several stories of waking up hours before dawn, driving to a place I can hunt, sitting in a tree stand in the freezing cold waiting for dawn, and then having a random person spot me from the road, then hike up to me to tell me I'm not allowed to be there cause Mr X doesnt let people hunt on his property (despite the fact that I have a signed permission note from Mr X). Or someone who doesn't think hunting should be allowed spotting me and then just letting their dogs off leash through the woods to flush away any deer, despite the fact that if I had a dog with me while hunting, it would be illegal because of how stressing it is for deer to be chased by dogs. Or the DNR officer doing their job by checking to make sure I have permission, the proper licenses, weaponry, square inches of pure blaze orange, etc, and next thing you know, you've lost 1 of the 2 days you'll be able to hunt that season. You only have a few prime hours per day, and having a person show up during that time will keep deer away for the rest of that window.

    It's far easier to just hide from people.

    Edit: and another thing I just remembered to add, camo lets other people know you are likely a hunter. If you are just walking the woods with shorts, a t-shirt, and a weapon, you will likely freak some people out.

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    [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Hunters try to account for the deers senses, approaching from up wind so they cant smell you. Sneaking so they cant hear you, it makes sense that you'd also use camo so they cant see you.

    Most of the hunters I know go for the hi vis orange camo so you stand out to humans but not deer since they cannot see the colours.

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who lives in northern BC: only city folk/wannabe hunter cosplayers bother with camo. Sweats and sunglasses work fine.

    I know several people that dont even leave their truck to shoot unless they actually need to.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    My dad lives in the sticks and always makes fun of hunters with their fancy multicam outfits and $1000 scopes since he frequently gets entire families of deer at his doorstep. He jokes he could take one out with a .22

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I know several people that dont even leave their truck to shoot unless they actually need to.

    in the US that's illegal.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Well, I'm not in the US, and even if it is illegal here in Canada, there are so many back roads and abandoned forestry trails you would have to either be incredibly unlucky or an idiot to get caught.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's all about stimuli. I'm sure most hunters have sat for hours without seeing a thing only to absent-mindedly stumble on a deer while noisily walking or riding back home. Deer might react to a stimulus, but they won't react to nothing... obviously right? I've had deer snap their heads straight to me because of a slight movement I made. While others have just kept an eye on me while they continued whatever they were doing. The point is to give them as little to react to as possible while actively trying to hunt.

    Another aspect is that's simply what is available. I've got nice warm camo bibs because they are made with soft quiet fabric. My buddy who ice fishes has warm bibs as well that are not camo but noisy as hell because fishermen don't need to worry about noise. There's almost no options for warm and quiet clothing that isn't camo.

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    [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I do just about everything I can to minimize me disturbing the area. So breaking up the contour, hiding my face (eyes and faces looking at you mean predators), and try to match camo to where I live and when I hunt. Not just for deer but also the birds, squirrels, etc because if they are acting scared they might alert a deer or at least put them on edge.

    Also it might I can see wild life a little more naturally then if I was just screaming "human here!" Visually, audibly or through smell.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Everything about hunting is just down homey cosplay.

    Now for the ones who hunt Turkeys. There is a value in the head to toe camo as Turkeys have unreal eyesight and can see UV light.

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