While most hybrids are said to use one to two litres of fuel per 100km, a study claims they need six litres on average

Plug-in hybrid electric cars (PHEVs) use much more fuel on the road than officially stated by their manufacturers, a large-scale analysis of about a million vehicles of this type has shown.

The Fraunhofer Institute carried out what is thought to be the most comprehensive study of its kind to date, using the data transmitted wirelessly by PHEVs from a variety of manufacturers while they were on the road.

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According to the study, the vehicles require on average six litres per 100km, or about 300%, more fuel to run than previously cited.

The scientists of the Fraunhofer Institute found that the main reason for the higher-than-stated fuel usage was due precisely to the fact that the PHEVs use two different modes, the electric engine and the combustion engine, switching between both. Until now it has been claimed by manufacturers that the vehicles used only a little or almost no fuel when in the electric mode. The studies showed that this was not in fact the case.

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[–] 50 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

While most hybrids are said to use one to two litres of fuel per 100km, a study claims they need six litres on average

I can say from personal experience that my Chevy Volt gets around 40-60mpg when it kicks over to gas. That said, it rarely does, because my daily commute comfortably inside the battery's range.

Until now it has been claimed by manufacturers that the vehicles used only a little or almost no fuel when in the electric mode. The studies showed that this was not in fact the case.

Again, I've got a tank of fuel from... several months ago? Barely 7 gallons and it hasn't run out. Like, I almost never visit the gas station anymore. So, idk. Maybe the Volt was just built better.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Based on my interpretation of the article the Porsche plug in was so bad that it skewed the study, it used 85% more fuel than all of the other cars in the study. But it doesn't surprise me, it's not the first time Porsche (Volkswagen) wasn't very trustworthy with their fuel stats in recent years. Something else was that the less expensive the car, the better it was on fuel economy, seems logical once you think about it. The more sensible the car the more likely that buyer is to be concerned with those types of stats.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Something was that the less expensive the car, the better it was on fuel economy, seems logical once you think about it.

    Nobody (expecting to win) is street racing a Volt or a Prius, to be sure.

    So there's little incentive to cheat emissions standards in order to juice performance.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    There's no way it would win a race, but I have to say, I have the latest Prius Prime and it's actually pretty damn fast, especially for a Prius. They really shook off the underpowered rep with this latest batch.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This mirrors my experience with my 2017 Prius Prime. On the rare occasion when I activate gas mode (e.g., for long trips) it gets 50 mpg no problem. Otherwise it's an electric car and the gas engine is completely shut down.

    During COVID lockdowns, we were driving a lot less. We got a warning message that we needed to burn at least 5 gallons of gas each year to keep it from going stale. So we drove it exclusively in gas mode for a while, then went right back to not caring about gas prices at all.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Doesn't gas go bad eventually? Could that be a problem if you end up needing the ICE to turn on?

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    they actually thought of that when designing the volt. the tank is pressurised to stop evaporation (which causes the concentration of additives to change so they fall out of solution), and the engine runs for a minute or so every month (or if you haven't started it in a while) to make sure there's no bad gas in the lines.

    if only it had a proper stats screen, came in hatchback form factor, used a type 2 plug in europe, and had five seats, it would have been a perfect car. oh and the battery range is a bit too small, but i think there's probably someone who can fix that. after all, the batteries are twelve to thirteen years old at this point.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I have a different model, but it more or less vacuum seals the gas tank to mitigate that - it is still wouldn't last forever, but without air to react with the aging process is significantly slowed down.

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    [–] 42 points 5 months ago (36 children)

    Misleading article. Someone reading this may think that a PHEV will have higher fuel consumption than claimed. When it reality it should be clarified that fuel efficiency is based on roughly 75% electric drive share.

    I see the point where they should adjust that down based on real.world usage.

    But... if you are expected to drive 75% electric based on battery range and your usage, you will hit the manufacturers claims, give or take

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    [–] 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I met someone who had been given a PHEV company car. They had been driving it for 6 months, and I was the first person who informed them that their car could be plugged in to charge. They thought it just charged itself while driving.

    I doubt this is an isolated incident.

    Many companies and councils are trying to look more green by making the switch to EV, but don't want the "risk" of an actual EV. I believe they are the main customers for PHEVs, and they are also the least likely to recharge them.

    I've even heard of people deliberately refueling and not recharging because they have a company car for fuel, but would have to pay for electricity themselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Sounds like the companies should also issue their PHEV'd employees a portable gas-powered generator they can fill up when they fill the car to then use at night to charge the car's batteries. Bureaucratically the math is flawless.

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    [–] 35 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fleet vehicles are skewing numbers too. They often don't get plugged in regularly and use the gas engine far more.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago*

    So I own one of these vehicles and I was thinking there's no way this can be because I can see my fuel consumption and it is very low. But according to the article it varies greatly by model, and mine was mentioned as being on the low end.

    For me at least, I can hear when the engine turns on and it does not do so until the battery range is used up, so there should be no fuel usage during short trips. It seems quite strange that some vehicles would work otherwise.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The article is horribly unclear: it seems to say that PHEVs are no good, but "the main reason for the higher-than-stated fuel usage was ...that the PHEVs use two different modes, the electric engine and the combustion engine". Well, so do non-plugin hybrids. I doubt they're saying that plug-in hybrids are worse than non-plugin, but you might guess that from the title.

    The article states that Porsche PHEVs used 7 liters per 100 miles (33.6mpg), but Kia/Toyota/Ford/Renault used "85% less" (1.05L/100k or 223mpg... maybe about right if driven 75% from plug-in energy).

    Porsche mentioned "different usage patterns". I can buy that a typical Prius owner is plugging-in every night, filling low-rolling-resistance tires to 54psi and driving like grandma, and a typical Porsche owner... isn't. If you want apples-to-apples, then compare a gas Corolla vs a Prius vs a Plug-in Prius, where the cars are from the same city/suburb, and similar owners (e.g.: no ubers, no regional sales reps).

    This "study" is evaluating real-world use of one class of vehicles, and not other vehicle types; then using the dismal ways some people drive to imply that this particular class of vehicles is the problem.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    I think the point is that PHEVs do not achieve the real world emissions promised by the manufacturers, which would call into doubt reliance on them to save the climate as well as tax reliefs. Particularly, company cars are historically subsidized too much, and they get even more subsidies if they are hybrids, only to then never charge them.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Until now it has been claimed by manufacturers that the vehicles used only a little or almost no fuel when in the electric mode.

    I have a PHEV and the gas engine shuts off completely when in electric mode. I don't see how it could be using gas when it's not running. Are they confusing the hybrid mode with electric mode?

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    [+] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    No, this is poorly framed information. They don't "require" on average 300% more fuel to run. The drivers choose to charge their cars 300% less often than manufactures suggest. This is skewed by rental and fleet cars whose users never charge the car, and by owners who treat their car as a normal hybrid instead of charging it. I was once given a plug-in hybrid van as a rental car but never told it was a PHEV. I didn't figure it out until the next morning when I was walking up to it and saw the charging cover. My hotel didn't have a charger, so I couldn't really do anything about it; but if I were a normal person and not someone who has owned multiple EVs then I wouldn't have even thought to charge it.

    Also, the Porsche one makes total sense. The car is going to burn through battery charge and then hit the gas engine faster when, as expected, Porsche drivers drive them like a Porsche.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Also, the Porsche one makes total sense. The car is going to burn through battery charge and then hit the gas engine faster when, as expected, Porsche drivers drive them like a Porsche.

    It really is insane. They only rate the range for 29 miles and then get 22-29MPG and make something like 540HP. I wonder (but didn't bother looking up) if their design allows the electric motor to boost the power of the gas engine rather than boost fuel economy in which case you're talking about smiles per gallon not miles per gallon.

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    [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My 2003 petrol car gets 6 litres per 100km. Even if the PHEVs are running like a normal hybrid 100% of the time, that economy is trash.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I got a Chevy Volt last year and I went from spending $350 per month on gas to spending around $20 per month (up to almost $30 when it was so cold last month).

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