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[–] 104 points 5 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Are these people even watching the show? (probably deliberately disingenuous)

    Ake sits up and also wears shoes when things are serious. It a consistent visual cue. I'd be as mad as they were if cadets were dying and she were laying back in the chair just shrugging it off, but that's not at all what is happening. Part of her character is that she is serious only to the extent the situation requires, and I think that casual attitude makes sense for someone who has been around for hundred's of years.

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    [–] 80 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Online attacks against an actor on a Star Trek show is not very Star Trek philosophy. World needs more Spock’s and less Kahn’s.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like calling Captain Ake "mumbles" is right up there with calling Picard "baldy". I get the feeling we're dealing with the kind of people who think one of those things is okay and the other isn't.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's pretty stupid to pick on Holly Hunter for her trademark.

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    [–] [S] 47 points 5 months ago

    The fact that this is happening is a disgrace to those who behave this way: you don’t embody IDIC.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I haven't seen STA yet, but it seems like, with a few exceptions, the most recent Star Trek has always been controversial, since The Next Generation. I feel like Enterprise deserved it the most, and SNW escaped most of it. Discovery probably got it the worst? Though TNG was by far the least deserving of it.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Which I find kinda surprising, since I would call SNW fairly "woke" if you actually pay attention to the show. Maybe it's just because it's a male captain set in the TOS era, and it's a more traditional trek show?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    SNW is a good balance. Discovery on the other hand, was way too emotional for me. Where is STSA on the crying-every-other-scene scale?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I found Discovery the same way, it's the only trek series I couldn't make it through.

    Picard suffered from bad writing unfortunately. Season 3 cashed in on nostalgia and I appreciate it for that, but the first 2 seasons were very meh.

    Starfleet academy is great though, IF you're ok with a show targeted to young adults. If you're not ok with that, the episodes will be very hit and miss. The most recent episode was fantastic, once you get through the 3 minute long sex scene it opened with. Even that does serve a purpose though to show the bond that's developed between two chars.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I dont like DIS because it does not feel very trek to me with the ugly klingons and the overall dark stories and characters. Also (like PIC) its very storyline so i cant really just jump into an episode and be happy (or unhappy, whatever story the episode is)            

    On the other side i think SNW is what should have been the first series after the pause after ENT. Its hopeful, most episodes can be watched alone and it still has a background story like VOY. And like every trek its woke.

    I think that PIC would have gotten a similar (smaller?) shitstorm compared to DIS if that was the first after the pause. LD maybe too but less for the quality and more because its animated. And PRO for feeling more nicelodeon than trek (or rather a mix)              

    If DIS came just later than others it would have probably been either more liked or at least ignored like a lot ignore PIC or Short Treks

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Discovery probably "got it the worst" because it came out during peak gamergate-era politics. Online fandoms were weaponized and radicalized into right-wing culture warriors. Discovery is easily the least preachy of any Star Trek series but because it had a black woman in a leading role it became an obvious target for ragebaiters to make stuff up about.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Ironically my biggest issue with Discovery is that it's pretty right-wing with its CIA stand-in apologia and blatantly militaristic style in Seasons 1 and 2 at least.

    That and the sheer degree of melodrama. Every episode needs to have scenes of at least one or two characters in total anguish. It just wears me down compared to other Treks. For a streaming-era show, it's not all that bingeable

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Discovery lacked much needed love for the franchise, with lot of nonsensical, lore breaking episodes. The same is true for Picard sadly. But I am finding STSA boasting some of the best episodes for a Star Trek season 1 series so far. Star Trek was always woke, and that is why it was so loved. STSA is no more woke than Voyager was. I see lot of respect from the writers to the previous series. STSA makes me think of TNG much more often than any other nutrek series (except lower deck, but that is nearly fanservice). Being into the future you have a lot of flexibility to do something new, and I like that a lot. Nahla Ake is a different character than Picard or Janeway, and that is fine. A great character nonetheless in my opinion.

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It's part of a general problem where old trek is basically competence porn (everyone is ridiculously competent at their jobs) while in new Trek everyone kinda acts like a teenager. Maybe it's a desperate attempt to appeal to a younger audience (I don't think that actually works tho), but it certainly doesn't appeal to fans of older Trek.

    It definitely breaks immersion to have characters that have serious jobs acting like teenagers.

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I like star trek starfleet academy for the most part. What I don't like about the show is that I can't watch it with my kids yet.

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I haven't watched STA. Is the captain really lounging in the chair and going barefoot?

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (28 children)

    Yes, but in context it's not a big deal. A lot of it is contrasting her with her peer, the chancellor of the war college, who is uptight. Ultimately, she's less military commander, or even explorer, and more chancellor of a school full of students and in that capacity it makes more sense to generate a relaxed atmosphere. When the situation calls for it, she can be serious as well.

    She just has her own style, but people want to be negative because she's not Picard-ing hard enough or some dumb shit.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    On the contrary it is a big deal, it makes Ake extremely endearing and likeable.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    She reminds me of a few of my professors in both my undergraduate English program and my graduate religious studies program, all of them wonderful and safe-feeling people. She's the first school chancellor we've really seen in Star Trek and she feels very much like a university-level educator to me--with the whole starship command piece being additional to her main job.

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