Hi friends. I'm a newbie in self-hosting, though I've been managing (virtual) linux servers at work for a couple of years. I'm completely ignorant on the hardware choices out there, hopefully you can point me to the right direction.

Here are my requisites:

  • Low power consumption, I plan to have it connected 24/7 and I'm kinda concerned on how much it will impact the electricity bill
  • Ethernet port, preferably gigabit but whatever
  • Graphical performance is not important as I don't plan to connect it to any display. As long as I can ssh into it, I'm good.

Services I plan on installing, for starters:

  • casaOS
  • pi-hole, or equivalent
  • Home Assistant
  • Kitchen Owl (nice to have)
  • Paperless-ngx (nice to have)

I live in europe and my budget is around 80 euros or so. Thanks in advance!

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[+] 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Good point.

    The Pi Zero is 2w max... It's downside is it draws 2w MAX. Power is power, only so much you can do in 2w. As you pointed out, the 4 and 5 can do more, because they can draw more, (or they draw more so can do more, it's all related).

    The key seems to be ability to minimize the idle power while still capable of ramping up to something useful when you need it - like the micros you've listed.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Try a used laptop. Cheap, power efficient, built in UPS, small. Can be quite powerful and some are even upgradable

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    As a point of reference regarding power consumption:

    I've been running a desktop non-stop for the last ten years (built as a gaming rig) as a file/media server, so it's probably the worst thing you can run this way, power-wise. Has an 800 watt power supply, running windows.

    I've done the math many times, costs me about $1/day in power at mostly idle.

    Just presenting a worst-case example as a guideline.

    I've recently spun up a Raspberry Pi Zero W for PiHole, DHCP, DNS, Tailscale, Joplin and Bitwarden. It's maximum power draw is TWO WATTS. Haha

    Currently running a watt meter on the desktop, should have some decent actual numbers from it soon, but can't imagine idle is any less than 50 watts.

    So there's two extremes. Don't be me (looks like you aren't!)

    Edit: I wouldn't recommend the Zero W for this, it's underpowered. I'm already overloading it with just PiHole and Tailscale, honestly.

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  • Yeah same. I have several machines that whirrr all the time. The power cost and usage is fairly negligible. The real costs in the house are appliances. OP will save more energy by getting a more power efficient fridge or dishwasher than worry about a computer being on in the closet

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Throwing in my own data, I have a small server rack at home that runs a brocade icx4630 switch and dell r720, idles around 250w. My desktop setup, monitors, amp, computer itself etc idles around 200w.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Adding my data as well:

    My server is diy desktop pc - mbo MSI Z270-A PRO with celeron G3930 and 16GB RAM, 3x SSD on 550W PSU, idles at 23W. After adding another 3.5" HDD consuption went up to 34W. 34W in Ctoatia is around 34€ a year.

    Some SFF PCs are at 10-15W. SBCs like rpi should be below 10 W, but dont think you can get anything new for 80€

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Look into a NUC on ebay. I was able to snag a new 11th Gen i3 for 200 eur. Power draw is about 7w with a headless Debian. Running a media server, nextcloud, pihole, an arr stack and I'm planning to add home assistant and a zigbee bridge which I now run on a pi.

    If you aren't planning to run to much on it a rpi4or5 will actually be enough and these things can draw 15 on absolute max load.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    I have an Intel NUC I got on eBay for £50. It’s running 30 containers, 10W draw

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Lenovo m900 tiny. Low cost and power.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    A raspberry pi or orange pi could definitely run all of those things at very low power consumption.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    @pathief I think what you are looking for is intel n100 since it only uses like 6-watt TDP, but before jumping to that, you should look at Heaven video. If you only want to run for a year or two, maybe the older CPU is much better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PisIPpbMkTc

    I hope you found what you are looking for.

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    [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Any Intel NUC(the small 4x4 ones) 8th gen or forward will fit the bill.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Have a look at the ServeTheHome site and channel on youtube ... he's done a load of good reviews of AliExpress devices and some tiny/mini/micro devices (think thinclients)

    He covers power consumption and some interesting points (like which recent multi-Gb NICs are supported by pfSense / Proxmox / etc)

    Just watching those should at least help you decide what you need.

    I was going to build my own virt server and I ended up with a low power, silent, passively cooled box to run all my VMs in... for much cheap.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Hey fellow european!

    Tinytronics.nl -> Pi4 model B 8GB: 87€ and in stock. The 4GB model is 68€. They also have orange Pi for a higher budget.

    Kiwi-electronics.com -> Pi 4 model B, 4GB? 63€. They also have all the pi accessories you could want.

    If you are going to use paperless for important documents, and if you want to not lose data for sure, get a 1TB cheap HDD or something and a USB3.0 adapter. SD cards will eventually fail.

    Otherwise, get an old used laptop 2nd hand. I used an old HP probook G1 laptop for about a year for my server. It didn't use much power at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Not to state the obvious one, but there's always the Raspberry Pi.

    The supply has gotten better on those, so you can probably pick one up in your price range, and the power draw is super minimal.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Raspberry Pi was my first choice, but apparently I can't even back order it :/

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Alternatively, there are also some options from pine64.com, maybe scroll through there! Same for odroid.nl

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    HP EliteDesk 800 G3 Mini (or equivalent)? You can get them for pretty cheap on eBay.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    A cheap android box + armbianOs is also an option if you're looking for low power. I have a 7watt one that's running 24/7 for the last few years.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A refurbished elite desk sff PC works great.

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    [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    At around 80 euros then for lowest power you should go Raspberry Pi, for most performance while still being low power an old business laptop is fine, and since you don't need the screen you can buy one with a broken screen.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A used Android pixel phone. You can root it and install Pideploy and run PiHole through it.

    I have an old Pixel 3a doing exactly this. The other services I don’t quite know if they have an Android implementation.

    Doesn’t suit your every use case, but I figured I’d share.

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    Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

    Fewer Letters More Letters
    DNS Domain Name Service/System
    NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers
    PSU Power Supply Unit
    PiHole Network-wide ad-blocker (DNS sinkhole)
    RPi Raspberry Pi brand of SBC
    SBC Single-Board Computer
    SSD Solid State Drive mass storage

    7 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 5 acronyms.

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