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[–] 136 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

I’m 42 and I don’t remember a time when it wasn’t obvious that we needed to phase out fossil fuels. Global warming was already known. The 70’s oil crises had even convinced conservative politicians that “energy independence” was an important goal even if they couldn’t grasp the concept of an energy transition. The Exxon Valdez spill happened when I was in elementary school. (We did a “science experiment” where we put canola oil and water in containers and used different materials to remove the oil.)

Fossil fuels have been obviously awful for at least 5 decades. Imagine how much less CO2 would be in the air if in 1985, we got on the good timeline instead of the “Biff becomes president” timeline.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Let’s go even further back. We had a lot of environmental activism in the 1970s. We got the clean air act, the clean water act, started recycling efforts for at least bottles and cans, and paper. Solar panels were a hot topic and President Carter installed some at the White House. My parents were part of a trend toward all electric houses fed by nuclear (what a disaster that was). Cars got a lot more efficient.

    We had a great start. Then Carter lost his second term, and Republicans went ham on our future

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Have you ever considered that first world nations are just going to use whatever energy source is the cheapest until it is no longer the cheapest?

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I live below sea level and have a degree in economics. I have definitely considered the fact that I’m paying for the negative externalities of fossil fuels each time my flood insurance rates go up.

    For the record, my house is raised above sea level and I have solar panels. No one has to chime in with “just move” overly simplistic arguments. We’re better prepared than most Americans since we already deal with it.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Then we'd be doing fission. Fossil fuels aren't required to pay for their externalities the way nuclear is, not to mention that the fossil companies have spent decades lobbying and campaigning to keep from having to be responsible for their own bullshit, as well as campaigning to make other forms of energy seem / be less viable (either through PR messaging or regulatory capture).

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Nuclear fission is not paying for the biggest externality either, its waste products. That for some reason seems to be the people's problem. And even then there doesn't exist a permanent storage solution for it as of today anywhere on the planet (yes, I know Finland thinks they have it figured out next year, but at a capacity of 5500t it will only hold the waste of the 5 Finnish reactors). It's absolute insanity to me how this gets brushed away so easily.

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  • [–] 105 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No we didn’t. This dog and pony show was put on so everyone can take in profits while signaling to the public that they are “working on it” and “we'll get em next year” so we don’t storm the castle.

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  • [–] 80 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    K, I guess we can revisit this topic in a decade when the house is actually on fire and we need to abandon it. So, that's good I guess.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    40 years ago i had a t-shirt that said the world was running out of time...

    Time won't help any more

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    I mean, we aren't totally screwed. Just climate will get worse and worse until we stop burning fossil fuels. It will eventually stabilize at whatever amount of carbon we end up at when we stop. It's just, how bad will it get in the meantime.

    Won't stop us from mass migration, and deaths on an order of magnitude that makes covid look like a blip, and also mass extinction of a large majority of the species on earth. But, we can pull through (I think, maybe)...

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Earth isn’t screwed. Humanity is.

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    [–] 63 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Cop28: an over the top parody of Don't Look Up.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have to try again to watch it. The premise was already hitting you over the head from the beginning but the movie was too badly done to watch through. I really should though

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    I had the opposite reaction. I thought the movie captured essence of the subject material so exceptionally that I don't want to see it again, it would just make me depressed. There's some truth to satire but in this case the satire ended up being too close to the truth. I think COVID did this movie a solid. Without COVID I probably would've dismissed the movie as too unrealistically over the top. But with COVID literally keeping me home there were just too many parallels for me to dismiss the movie as "it would never happen, we're better than that". Ugh, just thinking about it is getting me down.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We're all gonna die from climate collapse soon, aren't we?

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    All these fossil fuel addicts don't realize that their home-countries won't support human life anymore in a few decades. And they have so much money, that pivoting their investments to renewables would be no problem, even profitable for them and their offspring some financial experts might say. But they won't because the wells aren't dry yet.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ive lost hope in humanity changing and actually solving climate change a long time ago.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    I don't believe we ever did, no.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    There's a small chance something devastating won't happen before big changes happen to try and reverse climate change but odds are a lot of shit is gonna happen that's gonna lead to a lot of people dying. Not end of the world shit, but a lot of people are gonna suffer because of greed and lack of improving the world

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "We came tantalizingly close to preventing your house from burning down!"

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Tantalizingly close to a deal that would inevitably fall apart anyway...

    See:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/15/governments-falling-short-paris-climate-pledges-study

    "Every one of the world’s leading economies, including all the countries that make up the G20, is failing to meet commitments made in the landmark Paris agreement in order to stave off climate catastrophe, a damning new analysis has found.

    Less than two months before crucial United Nations climate talks take place in Scotland, none of the largest greenhouse gas emitting countries have made sufficient plans to lower pollution to meet what they agreed to in the 2015 Paris climate accord."

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sadly it affected profits.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Don't let this stop you. Wind and solar is cheap - often the biggest barrier is NIMBY not allowing construction, so demand your local/national political climate stop that. Allow solar by right on any roof. Allow wind turbines by right on all ag land. Encourage your utilities to put in storage systems to use that renewable energy "when the wind doesn't blow". Encourage good programs to buy renewable power over fossil power (everyone should pay for their share of the power lines and storage batteries - this is a large part of the cost of power)

    Electric cars are already becoming popular. There are many things that you can do to encourage that. Better yet, your can encourage great transport in your city (most cities don't have great transit!)

    There are many areas already running their grid on a majority renewable power. We know this works.

    The above measures won't get rid of all fossil fuels, but they get rid of the vast majority. They work with today's technology as well, and are affordable without subsidies!. No need to invest anything new/more. Just ensure that laws don't get in the way.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    beep beep. freeze some embryos and program bots to thaw in a thousand years. books on tape ftw

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