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[–] 35 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    For countries like Spain, Portugal, Ireland, et al… what’s the motivation to remain in NATO in the first place? I know it’s a joke to call it a purely “defensive” alliance but those countries do not face a credible military threat from anyone. Meanwhile they are rules falling into place that will require members to really pay up and increase military budgets at the expense of social programs.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    I do not know if the same "logic" holds true for others, especially the larger nations, but to many in my nation it's "if we leave there's no telling who of the neighbors is going to absorb us". Perhaps going by the "there's always a bigger fish" there's a feeling that nations inside of the banner at least on paper are obliged to not attack each other in an effort to deter the larger opposition.

    I personally though this is a bit of a fantasy, as Greece - Türkiye showcases that situation is far from ideal and wouldn't it make more sense to try to reason and integrate with the larger (outside) nation? As otherwise you're really leaning into a narrative that the "outside" is somehow born evil, which should feel quite hollow to anyone hearing it.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    Do it cowards.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Hopefully this is the start of an anti- NATO movement in Europe.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago*

    Talk is cheap. No brownie points until something actually changes.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago